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> I don't know why you think "Krauss is often mocked for" this

Exactly for the reason I wrote above, because his definition of "nothing" is NOT nothing. Quantum fields are something.

To make a pompous proclamation like " UNIVERSE FROM NOTHING", then admit that 1. nothing was deceptively redefined 2. that you don't even know for sure. That seems to be more than enough valid reasons for people to mock him, I personally don't care about Krauss either way, if he can make money using such tactics, good on him.

Also "scientific consensus" doesn't mean much when it comes to cosmology, since there was "scientific consensus" on many false theories like the steady state theory. Making such an argument is often nothing but an appeal to authority in disguise, in order to validate fragile ideas.

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I am not entirely sure what are you arguing against.

- We don't know or its not possible to know what came before something.

- After Big bang, nothing (as you define it), doesn't exist to the best of our understanding.

We both seems to agree on this two key point. So what are you exactly arguing against?

"We don't know yet." is really the answer to whatever you are mad about. Krauss or pick-your-favorite-scientists doesn't really shy away from this fact.

Are you mad because of the wording "UNIVERSE FROM NOTHING", then you just judging the book by its cover.

Religious flamewar will get you banned on HN. Please don't post like this.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Didn't even know he was pro-religious until you mentioned it - I was genuinely confused what he was trying to say. He never explicitly mention religion - now that you brought it up, it makes sense. I always try to shy away from religious discussion - online or offline - so this was not intentional from my side.

Sorry it's pointless to have a dialogue with you, since you are unable to retain the information after you tried to consume it.

>"We don't know yet." is really the answer to whatever you are mad about. .

I explained it perfectly well above, why people are mocking him, I also said the following: "I personally don't care about Krauss either way, if he can make money using such tactics, good on him." so your accusation of being mad is nonsense.

>Are you mad because of the wording "UNIVERSE FROM NOTHING", then you just judging the book by its cover.

I am making clear arguments devoid of any emotions, you seem to be hallucinating. I argued against the deceptive nature of Krauss' formulation of "nothing" which is not nothing, which is not "judging a book by it's cover" it's judging the deceptive nature of his rhetoric, which he has also demonstrated in many appearances on TV. And again, I don't care about Krauss either way, if he can make good money by that, good on him.

Religious flamewar will get you banned on HN. Please don't post like this.

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