The reason you “get so concerned” is because you are spreading fear, and you systematically attempt to censor anyone who points out that your fear isn’t supported by evidence.
This thread is _literally_ about the gold-standard scientific evidence (gathered by Spanish doctors) about how COVID is attacking the nervous system.
Such evidence is good when it supoorts your narrative, and bad when it doesn’t. Think about that for a second.
It's really scary, I'm worried for him. And now I really don't want to get it.
I know of multiple people in their 20s-30s-40s who have said it's the worst sickness they have ever felt. Some others who were really sick for a day or 2 and now seem fine.
I'm not a doomsday person, but it's something I'd like to avoid rolling the dice on (and I do have fear of older relatives catching it). Then there are the possible long term health effects still unknown. Unfortunately for whatever reason people have to be scared into taking the simple, basic precautions.
The thing about the disease is that it attacks some people much much more severely than others. We do not know why yet, but I'm positive that we'll eventually find out there are biological reasons (blood type, genetics, Vit D levels, etc).
It's useless to argue the numbers or even suggest the possibility of evidence that tempers the doomsday fear.
It's like arguing against the religious.
With very few exceptions, those "arguing the numbers" present a systematically biased and intentionally deceptive view that this virus is not dangerous and systematically hamper the collective action necessary to slow its spread. Instead of merely presenting a "balanced view", it's a rather irresponsible level of misinformation by...let's be frank...rather uninformed armchair epidemiologists who often have zero background in medicine, zero background in infectious diseases, and hardly any science background at all.
The virus is killing and maiming people worldwide. It's highly infectious. Basic shit like wearing masks is now political.
I don't mean to unload on you, because you are making a meta point, but seriously, most people arguing "the numbers" are completely full of shit. Listen to experts on infectious diseases, and shun internet crackheads, no matter what research papers they think they understand, and don't.
You should take this seriously because people are actually dying.
Masks became political the moment the CDC, WHO, and US Surgeon General lied to the public by telling them that masks don't help and would even be worse than not wearing a mask. The world's leading experts made it political, don't blame nobodies with no power for that.
>You should take this seriously because people are actually dying.
"People are actually dying" isn't the adult conversation. The adult conversation acknowledges that there may never be a vaccine or even a good treatment for this disease. Many countries have their infection "under control" but this is only because of fairly draconian policies which cannot be implemented forever. Once the draconian policies are pulled back, the infection will hit them again because there is no herd immunity and no vaccine. The adults in the room are having a discussion that balances the understanding that there is a dangerous disease out there with the further understanding that draconian measures cannot be permanent and at some point the world may just have to deal with the consequences of returning to normalish life. The only question that matters is "How long do we wait?" and that question is not primarily an epidemiological one. For you personally, the answer to that question may be "forever," but it seems pretty clear that "forever" is not an answer most people will accept.
It wasn't some innocent misstep. He's sticking with the division and stoking hatred and reality denial....aww crap I am ranting.
Suffice is to say that CDC can be held culpable for some screwups but leadership from the President is something the country desperately needs.
Ah, I see you take the Trumpian line of "it's everybody else's fault except me!". It became political in your country because the dozy muppet you elected as president can't actually deal with anything.
> "People are actually dying" isn't the adult conversation.
It's the reality on the ground. Other countries are gradually opening up their "draconian measures" and are managing to contain the virus. If you can't do that, it's your own failure.
I'm pro-mask and anti-Trump. Let's be clear. The world's leading experts gave us mask advice that they knew was a lie and likely lead to the deaths of tens of thousands additional people. No one has been fired. No one has had to resign in disgrace. Yes, I'm more upset at them than I am at some rando at the grocery store who doesn't want to wear a mask.
>It's the reality on the ground. Other countries are gradually opening up their "draconian measures" and are managing to contain the virus. If you can't do that, it's your own failure.
If you don't have a definitive answer to what is the maximum time for how long you'd continue the draconian measures, you're not even in the conversation.
Our strategy from very early on was to flatten the curve so our hospitals weren't overrun. We succeeded, our hospitals have not been overrun. We're building herd immunity at a faster rate than other countries. It's totally fair to criticize that, but not without the context of the fact that other countries will eventually have to deal with this by building their own herd immunity. It appears they are choosing to spread that process out over a longer period of time. That's a very reasonable strategy also. Discussing different strategies is totally fair, but if all you can say is insult people by saying "You're not taking death seriously!" you're not participating in the conversation.
You are in the same camp as Trump because you're spouting clueless crap as though it's authoritative.
I'm perfectly happy to be "not participating in the conversation" because your conversation is moronic bullshit.
What does this look like in practice? Do you intend to keep every national border closed until the entire planet has eradicated the disease? How long do you expect that to take? Do you believe this is sustainable for 5 years? What about 20 years? Will you also be keeping the schools closed during this time?