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The caring for privacy is only lip service. Consider that on iOS, you cannot get your location without also sending that location to Apple. You cannot install an app without telling Apple what you installed. You cannot install your own app on your device in a usable manner without giving banking details to Apple. You cannot subscribe to a service that has an associated app from that app without telling Apple that you've subscribed to it. To show how much it really cares, Apple moved Chinese users' data to allow the CCP unfettered access.

Facebook also says it cares about privacy, and I consider both claims to be equally believable.

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This is a bad-faith distraction from the topic at hand. The privacy work that Apple has done on the web is real and significant. We know because ad pricing for Safari users has dropped 60%, while for Chrome users it's increased. That means tracking is working on Chrome and not Safari.

GGP was talking about iOS devices specifically, and I showed how they are worse for privacy than their alternatives due to long-standing and long-complained-about practices by Apple. Do you disagree? You have not given any reason why anybody should.

As far as ad prices, you are citing a report from 2019. Since then, Safari ITP has been thoroughly compromised to the point where it leaks more information when it's on than when it's off. Meanwhile, Chrome supports uBlock Origin, just like Firefox (and unlike Safari).

The report is from December 2019, it has relevance in July 2020. Android Chrome does not support uBlock Origin. Mobile Safari prevents more tracking than Chrome, which is reflected in the lower ad prices. "Safari ITP is compromised" is a lie.

> "Safari ITP is compromised" is a lie.

Saying that statement is a lie is itself a lie. https://www.imore.com/google-engineer-says-apples-intelligen...

The way that Apple addressed the ITP bugs is in fact a wonderful example of privacy lip service.

> Android Chrome does not support uBlock Origin.

Android allows you to run actual Firefox, which does support uBlock Origin. As a bonus, it doesn't even require you to tell anybody that you have installed Firefox. That is what actual privacy looks like.

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