Mac won't literally forcibly reboot your machine though if you aren't sitting there to click "no." You can also use `softwareupdate --ignore` on Mac to shut off the notification. I'm not aware of anything equivalent on Windows.
the ability to cancel or ignore updates on a windows machine is relegated to a downloaded tool on the Microsoft site[0].
[0]: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4026726/windows-10-...
It's the user's machine to ruin. Tech companies need to stop saving users from themselves when said users have actual informed opinions.
But it's Microsoft's ass that gets dragged through the mud for decades when unpatched Windows machines cause problems for others.
They learned their lesson. Users can't be trusted.
At least now you ARE prompted to reboot if you have used the machine at all in the past 3 days or something. And if you haven't, it will still wait a week.
No one in this thread seems to be up to date on that. Everyone is complaining about the Windows 10 of 3-5 years ago, completely unaware that things have changed a lot.
So yeah I see why Microsoft does what it does, sometimes. The internet won't cut them any slack no matter what happens, so Microsoft do what's best for the user, whether they like it or not. And, again, they don't just surprise reboot anymore if you're on a recent release.
I'm not sure that's entirely fair. But in any case, Microsoft's reputation is certainly being damaged by the long series of failures caused by bad updates to Windows 10.
No one in this thread seems to be up to date on that. Everyone is complaining about the Windows 10 of 3-5 years ago, completely unaware that things have changed a lot.
The important facts haven't really changed. There might be some small quantitative improvements, but qualitative changes are required to fix this problem, and Microsoft is still stubbornly refusing to make them because they don't fit the business model under Nadella's leadership.
Sadly, until there are viable alternatives so a large proportion of Windows users can jump ship, they'll probably continue to get away with it too. The only other potential way out I can see is if governments step in and start regulating because the damage is becoming sufficiently painful that voters/businesses are starting to send a significant number of complaints. I'm not sure we're there yet, even though plenty of people have been stung by a bad update at least once already.
This is exactly why I don't run Microsoft software, even after their rabid tendencies mellowed a bit - providing software the user wants is not their priority.
But neither commercial consumer platform is producing an OS that respects their users - it is one-size-fits-all, you must be an idiot-ware. I don't serve my operating system, it's the other way around. So I'm done with both of them.
Because when you have wide ranging issues like that it takes a lot of time for people's opinion to change. All it takes is for a user to be burned once by this system and they might end up remembering and anticipating these issues for decades. MS reaps what they sowed.
>so Microsoft do what's best for the user, whether they like it or not.
And over the years this builds up an anti-MS/Windows sentiment that will be very difficult to get rid of.
I tried running a weaker machine on Windows for my parents. They ended up not using the computer at all, because every time they started the machine it would do something update related. Even just the things in the background made the computer unusable. There aren't prompts for things like that. They would rather go and pay their bills in person than use the computer because of the updates. I didn't know it was that bad, but actually trying to use it myself I understood.
If it helps, you can use "powercfg /lastwake" at a command prompt to find out why the computer last woke from sleep. With that info you should be able to put an end to those unrequested wakes.
Charitably that's only half of the story. Their security model was ... not great in the past.
If as you claim their security PR problems were all due to poor decisions by users then where are all the people slamming Apple for all the vulnerable systems caused by postponement of updates? What about Ubuntu, Fedora, etc?