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It's wrong, there are Antifa groups that use an upside down red triangle:

https://www.facebook.com/antifautrecht/

https://afanl.wordpress.com/2018/01/30/english-3-2-2018-anti...

Seems like Facebook jumped the gun on this and assumed the worst.

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> Rather than making the association that this leftist group deserves to have political concentration camp tag?

Yeah I believe your hypothesis is crazy and needs more evidence before jumping to such a wild assumption. That's why you word vomit with events that loosely relate to concentration camps and 88 words to support your already loose conspiracy theory.

Ironic that NOW this symbol will be used against socialists since the WSJ and Facebook just made it mainstream and assumed that connection.

No one would have never thought of this connection if FB wouldn't have flagged it and the WSJ didn't immediately report it. Can you honestly say you had this holocaust knowledge? To assume that on everyone and to go further and assume malicious intent is even more dishonest.

People wanted this to be so true, but you are all conspiracy theorists today.

I've never seen AFA Amsterdam or AFA Nederland use a red triangle with the exception of that one conference, and in that instance the triangle isn't even upside down.

> https://www.facebook.com/antifautrecht/

The coat of arms of the City of Utrecht is a split field of red and white, creating in effect a red triangle. As blazon: (party) per bend argent and gules. Basing a logo of an Utrecht group on that visual identity seems far more likely.

> https://afanl.wordpress.com/2018/01/30/english-3-2-2018-anti....

Bold geometric red forms on a brown background, tilted black text in a sans-serif font – I'm betting 5 € that the anonymous Antifa poster designer is himself a fan of the graphic designer Jan Tschichold and his Neue Typographie.

I'm antifa, and I've never seen this symbol used by antifascists, in the US anyway.

Even if they do, it's likely as a way to subvert the symbol used by the Nazis. To use it to attack antifa is to use it like the Nazis did. It's like how black people can use the n-word, but not white people.

Thank you for your anecdote, but I've posted two examples, one active FB group.

It seems to be mainly a European usage, but it exists.

I don't see how pointing out a symbol a group uses is attacking them.

I also don't think equating yourself and antifa to the struggle of the holocaust and slavery is going to win any minds over.

> I also don't think equating yourself and antifa to the struggle of the holocaust and slavery is going to win any minds over.

Thousands of anti-fascists were badged with the red triangle and subsequently slaughtered in the holocaust, which is precisely why the ad was removed.

> You also lost me on your n-word logic.

Quelle surprise.

What a messy situation. In today’s day and age you never know what’s real anymore.

I wouldn’t be surprised if this group was ran by some trump associate in secret to peddle their narrative.

I’m not the conspiracy type but I find with the trump campaign the ordinary gets thrown out of the window. Just crazy allegations after one another.

1. This is the antifa symbol: https://imgur.com/0S81Ht6

2. The president did not use the symbol you linked.

3. Focusing on the antifa symbol used in the city of Utrecht, Netherlands is the definition of cherry picking.

The president's ad has more in common with the Nazi political symbol than a facebook group from Utrecht, Netherlands, and I'm sure you agree that they were not referencing the latter given it's not even in the U.S.

That is AN Antifa symbol.

I thought a couple weeks ago we were arguing whether Antifa existed or was a splintered group, now they have an official logo?

The fact the logo exists and an Antifa group used an upside-down red triangle gives plausibility to the Trump campaign's reasoning.

Those two examples was just a few minutes of searching, I'm sure there are others.

Maybe we can ask the Antifa group WHY they decided to use that triangle.

Do you really think the president was using a symbol from Utrecht Netherlands in a U.S. based political ad?

I think it's plausible someone on his social media campaign saw banners with an upside-down red triangle.

I love how the goal post is moved to whether or not one existed to mind-reading WHY he might have been targeting people deliberately or why me might have used a niche Antifa logo.

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I'm sure Antifa groups attack the campaign on the same media platforms they share.

Maybe they saw it in a message or posted on a wall, who knows. The fact is you don't and I don't, why are we trying to mind-read why he might have done the worst case obscure scenario that someone suggested.

The more outlandish claim is that he was trying to demean the Jewish population with a symbol used during the holocaust.

You argue that his campaign couldn't have found this antifa logo, I argue that they weren't thinking about this holocaust symbol.

> I think it's plausible someone on his social media campaign saw banners with an upside-down red triangle.

Where? They Googled "antifa" and picked the 493rd result?

> The more outlandish claim is that he was trying to demean the Jewish population with a symbol used during the holocaust.

That is outlandish. And it also appears to be a strawman that you just summoned because I don't see anybody on this thread making that claim.

> The more outlandish claim is that he was trying to demean the Jewish population with a symbol used during the holocaust.

The upside down red triangle wasn't used as a symbol for Jews in the camps, it was specifically used for socialists, communists, anarchists and other anti-fascists.

Less than 10 km from Utrecht, NL is a town called Amersfoort where there was an SS concentration camp in WW2. As far as I know it was the only such camp outside of the boundaries of the Third Reich.

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