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Talking about racism makes white people uncomfortable because whether it's talking about a specific individual or not, there's an implicit undertone that they're also white and part of the problem.

This is particularly grating when considering that white people are a very diverse group and the experience of a white male in Iran is completely different to the one of a white upper-class female in the US or a lower-income white male in the US.

The US media and social-media have infected Europe with this us-vs-them attitude and are ironically fueling racism against white people.

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Racism against white people? Definetly notin the wstern world.

And if you really want to put a strawman for anti-white-racism up there, use some of the actually happened atrocities against white land owners in some Africna countries after de-colonisation. Obviously without the historic context, because it wouldn't work otherwise. Don't pick Iran, besides being the current boogey man for conservative circles, it really is a bad example for racism. Unless you want to go deep into the shiit-suunit conflict in the Arab World. Which would obviously totally off-topic for this thread.

Attacking people because of their skin color (even verbally) is the very definition of racism.

This is exactly what's happening these days as white people are all put into one bucket and blamed for all the injustice in the US.

Iran is a good example. Turkey too or any country that has a different religion/political system but where a part of the population is in fact "white".

Mexico's another good example.

"Racism against white people? Definetly notin the wstern world."

Iirc, in the UK, around half of victims of race hate crimes are white.

Official government numbers (the full report can be found here: https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-..., race starts at page 15 of the PDF):

- Percentage of adults affected by hate crime by ethnicity 2015/16 to 2017/18: White 0.1, Mixed 0.5, Asian 1.1, Black/African/Caribean/Black British 0.6 and other 1.0

- Same, by religion: Chistian 0.1, Buddhist 0.1, Hindu 0.7, Muslim 1.5, other 0.5, none 0.1

All adults: 0.2

Conclusion: White christian are by any number underaffected by hate crime in the UK

Additonal numbers form London's MOPAC for victims of racist hate cimes in the 12 months up to June 2017: 56% male, 30% black, Asian 25%, White-North European 25%. Obviously, percentages cannot be summed up here. Again, whites are underaffected. perosnal view: Numbers in London might be higher than elsewhere for whites, I don't have a source for that, so.

Anyway, both numbers are an order of magnitude away from the 50% you mentioned.

The figures you quote are the percentage of victims by ethnicity. So, for example, the number of black people who have been victims of hate crime. I was referring to the total number of victims by race. I suspect the latter number was in my memory because of how these, and similar, figures have been reported in the past. E.g. https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/oct/22/ukcrime.race.

Some back of the envelope calculations suggest that my 'roughly half' is correct given the figures you provide. Of 1000 people in the UK, 920 will be white, and 80 non-white. Given the rate of white hate crime victimisation you gave, .92 white people in that 1000 will be a victim of hate crime. If we lump all the non-white people together and use the highest rate of victimisation (Asian:1.1%) that gives us .88 non-white victims.

The comment I replied to claimed that racism against white people does not exist in the western world. That claim does not appear to be true.

Murder =/= hate crime, so murder has nothing to do with racism against white people. by the way, the comment was mine.

Forget back-off-envelop calculations, take official numbers. And that is 25% for London.

Racially motivated murders, which the article is about, are hate crimes. As such, they are prosecuted as hate crimes in the UK.

The calculation I made was from official figures. A smaller percentage of a larger demographic can make up a large percentage of the total.

Even if you want to ignore every number except your 25%, those white victims of racially motivated hate crimes presumably exist, do they not?

I go with official government numbers first in cases like that. period. And what makes you think police forgot to include the murders you mentioned in the official numbers?

Not some calculation I cannot follw. Not press reports. And unless you go and read the official report (there is even a spreadsheet, so you can use prime sources directly), I gonna stop now.

The police did include the murders in the official statistics . I think the problem here is that you don't understand the data you quoted and how it relates to the demographics of the UK.

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