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YES.

Windows 2000 was also one of the most consistently designed versions of Windows. XP also introduced tons of design language chaos as they only migrated some of the UI over to the new controls and left big chunks of the OS to languish. I think Control Panel had widget rot well into Windows 10 (Maybe still has this issue?).

I only grudgingly moved to XP and shortly after switched to Desktop Linux full time.

> I'm still rather baffled about how people look back fondly on XP

XP was the first consumer version of adult (non-w95 based) Windows. Relatively few people used Windows NT or Windows 2000. If you are one of the many people who's Windows use either started with XP or you went from W95 to XP, then XP was clearly the best Windows you've ever seen.

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XP introduced a "new" control panel arrangement by default, but you could easily revert to a simple folder view. Windows 10 is a mess today because of the overlap between the classic Control Panel and the new settings app, but there was nothing like this back then.

> XP introduced a "new" control panel arrangement by default, but you could easily revert to a simple folder view.

It's been 15+ years? since I regularly used Windows so maybe I'm mis-remembering this, but I definitely remember there being quite a few WTF moments working with the Windows XP Control Panel. Lots of changes for no apparent reason, and many weird/ jarring things. Its definitely not a Windows 10 thing because I've spent roughly 15 minutes using Windows 10.

The proper thing to do in the Windows XP control panel is to switch it to Classic View. No more trying to figure out what category something is in and being wrong half the time, just the same options as you had in Windows 98, plus a few new ones.

Even in Classic View, there are admittedly some items that have user interface styles that date back to Windows 3.1 (one example being part of the Fonts area), so there are some oddities. But switching to Classic View takes care of a lot of them.

Tho that only helps with certain things, depending on localization.

For example, the German version of Windows XP renamed the entry for "Software" to "Programme und Funktionen"/"Programs and functions".

It's something that even over a decade later keeps catching me off-guard because for the longest time I was so used to look for "S like software".

And Windows 10 did it again with the whole "App" thing where I'm still somewhat confused if that's the new name for software, or if I'm installing some kind of integrated gadget from the Windows store or what the actual difference between these two is supposed to be.

> the whole "App" thing

https://i.imgur.com/TTRyEOT.png

I believe what you suggest is exactly what I did when I used XP, but at this point, the only proper thing is to not use XP unless you are doing some kind of air-gapped retro setup.

The Control Panel vs Settings thing is definitely annoying, and confusingly certain things exist in both; one of which is date and time

I had a machine that refused to sync NTP until I went into Control Panel, even though everything looked fine in the new Settings

One of the first things I do is to pin the control panel and a couple of its icons to start so I can avoid the settings way of getting there.

appwiz.cpl run this from RUN or command prompt

I didn't know about that. As I have it set up though, I can hit the windows key and type 'fea' (from Programs and Features) and then enter.

you couldn't entirely revert the control panel to "classic". Win2K pioneered moving a bunch of stuff out of the control panel entirely and into Computer Management (which you could get to by right clicking on the computer icon)

As someone once remarked "On XP everything looks as though it should go MOO! when you click on it."

Ha, that’s so true.

After growing up with Amiga and then MacOS, I only really encountered Windows XP when I started my first proper job.

Couldn’t believe that that was the default OS for professionals and businesses. With all the chunky graphics and bright colours it looked so childish - like it was designed for preschoolers, not 98% of the world’s computing.

There was even a puppy animation when doing a search.

And you could switch the puppy animation to a cat, or a wizard, or probably several other options!

You could easily switch it to look like earlier versions of Windows, however. I miss that ability in 8.1 and 10; up through Window 7, I could make my desktop look like Windows 95 if I wanted to, and sometimes I did. Nothing like having a colleague walk up to you in 2017 and asking you, "is that Windows 2000?"

Thank MS Bob for that...

That ia surprisingly succinct. I'll be copping this one for the future.

Out of the box, sure. But it wasn't difficult to configure it to look almost exactly like Win2K.

We have three layers of it now.

Control Panel: win 3.0 lineage

Computer Management/device manager: WinNT lineage

Settings: Win8 lineage

It's all a big mess. You want to configure your audio settings or printer? You'll find options in all three areas, all with slightly different UI controls.

What option do they have though? If they throw all the old out and replace it people freak out.

If anything slowly rendering the older stuff obsolete and moving settings into the new unified settings system makes the most sense to move forward without people freaking out.

Your only options, for windows users is to do things very slowly or just don't move forward or innovate at all and as of today there is very little reason to dig into the older versions apart from very esoteric settings.

Windows 10 was released in 2015. Windows 8 was released in 2012. From a user POV the settings menus shouldn't be so complex after that long.

There are a few examples of things that are now much harder than they need to be because the settings have been spread over several different places, and you have to know the correct route to them or you get an incomplete settings menu.

Some Dell laptops will use a generic Windows driver for a mouse device, instead of installing the correct drivers for the trackpoint / Pointstick and touchpad. This is a suboptimal experience, and installing the correct drivers is harder than it needs to be.

But once you've installed the correct drivers where do you find the settings?

Start > Settings > Touchpad will give some settings, but not for the pointstick.

Device manager doesn't give you the settings.

Search > Control Panel > Hardware and Sound > Dell Touchpad > Launch Mouse Control Panel will give you a window that then allows you to open the Dell settings.

The easier way is to open the hidden icons in the notification area, right click Dell Touchpad, and open the settings from there.

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