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Is JetBrain stack native? I don't think it is.

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No, it's based on Java's Swing.

Visual Studio is, JetBrains is JVM - but still closer to native than DOM.

How is Swing closer to native than DOM?

You aren't sandboxed - you can reach out to native API/code if you hit some limits, you have threads, etc.

For one, Swing isn't build on top of technologies that specialize in displaying interactive documents

Intuitively it it feels like that should make swing faster, but experientially swing feels heavy and slow.

Is swing poorly optimized, is it due to being in Java?

I'm not a UI dev and have not thought about it much.

I'd agree that Swing feels heavy... but Electron feels an order of magnitude heavier.

Though, when done right, it feels fairly close to native. I earn my pay working with IDEA and if you turn off the plugins you don't need its actually quite snappy where you would reasonably expect it to be. I would bet it takes far less optimization to get there than an equivalent Electron application

Java/Kotlin mix, I believe

That's another thing, Java apps just feel heavy. Like its got a couple of kilos of lead attached to it. Ever used Eclipse IDE? Holycrap.

Also, Eclipse and Jet Brains software feel more similar to each other and now that you mentioned Java, that makes sense.

Have you actually ever used IntelliJ? It doesn't feel "heavy" compared to say Visual Studio (the real one, not Code).

I have used IntelliJ for years. I have found nothing I prefer to it. It is absolutely, beyond a shadow of a doubt, heavier than depleted uranium.

VS on small projects feels pretty light. It's only on the larger projects and maybe Resharper in the mix that it becomes difficult

I haven't used IntelliJ per se but I've used CLion which is similar sofware from Jet Brains. To me, both feel super heavy.

It's not similar, it's the exact same code, just with features turned off. If I open a C project in IntelliJ it's literally the CLion plug-in.

They’ve piled everything on the UI thread like a freshman, now they are paying the price.

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