I would only support mail in voting with voter id. The fact that you're so happy about this decision, regardless of the rampant voter fraud that will take place with no voter id is insane to me
There is no fraud. You know why there's no fraud? Because it's a crime, and unless you attempted an absolutely massive fraud, which would be just extraordinarily easy to detect, there would be scant little point in taking the risk. Who would risk five years in prison for something that has very little expected impact?
There have been plenty of investigations into vote-by-mail in Oregon, and no fraud has been found.
This is all just a false narrative to suppress voting among people less disposed to stand in line and do it - the poor.
When has the law ever stopped bad actors? It's naive to think fraud doesn't exist when at least a dozen times each election there are some kinds of issues getting votes counted.
How?
First off, mail-in ballots have their signatures compared to those on record with the state.
Stealing ballots from people's mailboxes is a federal crime and doesn't scale well.
Ditto for stealing it from their homes, or forcing them to vote a certain way.
There's no way you could keep quiet people selling off their mail-in ballots, or handing them to a third-party voluntarily - once it gets beyond more than a dozen people, the secret's going to be out. For example, as occurred in this NC Congressional election: https://www.npr.org/2019/07/30/746800630/north-carolina-gop-...
I accept that you could tamper with a few votes here and there. Doing it systematically, at a scale large enough to tip the scales in an election, and keeping it quiet, seems nigh impossible.
This is sadly a partisan issue, and it begs the question: why is that so?
Voter fraud has never been seen in any meaningful level in the US. Worries about it are a fiction concocted by those who would really rather as few people vote as possible.
It's also a very difficult thing to track if there's almost no verification happening at the ballot box.
It often gets tossed around that there's this very low level of fraud right now. The truth is we just don't actually know and have no meaningful way of finding out.
What about every other method of voting? Do we know voting machines used across the country are safe? Why the sudden concern now?
We can be arguing two different things:
1) Signatures are not a good proof of identity
2) We should require government ID for proof of identity
> Why the sudden concern now?
It's not. This has been a debate for at least a decade if not more.
> This has been a debate for at least a decade if not more
And in that time there has been zero evidence of voter fraud at any kind of scale that would effect the outcome of an election.
These measures will far outlast the coronavirus.
Why check signatures even? If there's no level of voter fraud to be concerned with, why throw out tens of thousands of ballots because the signature didn't match? Was that all voter fraud, or just an incompetent system?