The European Union Is Facing Its Worst Recession Ever. Watch Out, World
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Of course I'am worried about what's next, because when we are reopening not everything will reopened (tourism, restaurants, and many things are going to stay closed for a looong time) and then we will see long-term damage. But the current figures just sounds like a calculation artifact to me.
Edit: in fact, I'm even worried that the fear around the “artificial recession” is going to create a real one: many countries are currently reopening because they are afraid of the recession, but it's way too early so they won't reopen completely and they may even face a “second wave” which could probably have been avoided if the lockdown was sustained enough to eradicate the disease in the country.
I this kind of crisis, what's remain of the welfare state is immensely valuable, too bad many American citizens have been brainwashed by cold war propaganda and consider this as socialism…
The structure of support makes things less severe for the average citizen than in the us, but that doesn’t mean we’ve dodged the overall effects on the economy.
Not in Italy, for example, where a tiny fraction of people got 600 euro (minus tax) for the March period, and for the rest there are loans that could be technically obtained and need to be repaid within 6 years (but the procedure is byzantine).
And the government asked for "an act of love" from the banks (== give money without guarantees) instead of, say, act as guarantor (for the above-mentioned loans, there is some form of guarantee, but not everything).
Also the EU fiscal policy has not changed in practice, so you can't go on a spending spree without facing the consequences later.
I'm not surprised the GDP is expected to drop by 15%. Very tough times ahead.
While much of the EU has overall much better unemployment benefits these were never tested in a period where so many people could lose their jobs.
And we are more than self-sufficient concerning agricultural product even with the reduced output caused by the pandemic. We could also reduce our meat intake by 10%, doing so would allow us to export as much food as we did in 2019.
So unless the top of the pyramid decides we can suspend capitalism for a few months, all the dominoes keep cascading growth obligations downstream and if you can't meet them you are pushed over the edge of the cliff.
It’s not capitalism that has Leonardo DiCaprio date multitudes of models in their 20s. It’s not capitalism when Soviet citizens would line up outside of the better armory factories to get their allotment of cutlery.
I also know of one restaurant in Amsterdam that is testing a setup that will have individual glass cabins for each table[0]. Many restaurants in Amsterdam, including Michelin-star restaurants, have switched to delivery. We've had some amazing delivery food in the past weeks (though the best required quite a bit of preparation at home).
Simply closing everything down is not sustainable; we need to figure out how to live with this new situation.
[0] https://dutchreview.com/coronavirus/1-5m-society-amsterdam-r...
Just because the system could go back to normal in no way shows that it will, or even that it is likely to, and that's a fundamental feature of recessions. It's like the system as a whole has multiple equilibriums, and which equilibrium it ends up in depends on the history leading up to it: the "average of normal + lockdown" only tries to show that a desirable equilibrium exists and vaguely implies that that's the equilibrium it will end up in. My understanding is that conventional economics and past experience both say that it is far more likely that it won't and that the recession will be as genuine as any other.
https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/04/03/upshot/03up-unemp...
Unemployment always goes up quickly, then takes time to go back down. It’s like any other injury; the damage happens fast, healing takes time.
Given the damage that has already occurred, and the rate that jobs can be added back to the economy, I’d guess that it will be something like 10 years before unemployment goes back down to pre-corona levels. If it just jumps back as soon as the lockdown is lifted, it will be the first time in history that has ever happened.
The response to the coronavirus pandemic, of mandatory lockdowns of nearly the entire population, for several weeks, may prove to be one of the most egregious cases of self-inflicted social harm the world has ever seen.
Countries that ease the lockdown before they have a handle on the virus are in for a lot of pain further down the road. Probably more economic damage as well.
Lockdowns might save lives, and I can't blame public health officials for protecting their community, but I personally fear more lives will be lost due to economic costs. They just might be poorer, quieter lives. And while death is, of course, final, suffering in life should count for something too.
https://www.wfp.org/news/covid-19-will-double-number-people-...
That's a real issue in the developing world; in the developed world the resources exist to buffer the temporary additional low-end economic impact; not doing so effectively is a policy choice (and, in practice, a deliberate active one made when the alternative of providing the aid is presented), not an inherent corollary of lockdowns.
That seems like a pretty sterile way to describe it.
Right now, in the (presumably) developed US, 1 in 5 children don't have enough food, 3x the amount during 2008. That's a result of years of policy choices, but one particularly policy choice caused it to spike. If there's a resource buffer, it's not buffering.
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2020/05/06/the-covid...
Yes, the policy choice not provide the kind of mass aid (whether directly to citizens or through firms in a way which reasons the mass of the citizenry to protect empmoyment and pay) to the population that pretty much every other industrialized country facing this crisis has, even the ones (like Sweden) without mandatory lockdowns.
The US federal response to COVID-19, both in narrow public health measures and broader, including economic policy, measures (and structurally much of this has to be done at the federal level because of the way state and federal financing works) has been nothing short of mass murder by depraved indifference.
The losses in GDP caused by lockdowns will therefore very likely have a cost in lives in the developed world too.
The choice between "saving people" vs "economy" is a false choice. Lockdowns might help the economy more in the long run. People that live in fear of the virus will not consume, and lockdowns reduce the amount of time that the virus is out there.
You can force people to go back to work, but you can't force people to consume.
It might. We're not really sure. Either way, I think OP has a good point. It is not entirely impossible that we do the lockdown, still same number of people die and we also grind economic activity to a halt leading to other kinds of shortages. If this is what will happen, then the lockdown is a would be a bad choice. Sweden actually is banking on this. They might be wrong, but it's not an entirely crazy stance, there is a reasoning behind it.
Given what we saw in North Italy it would have been foolish not to go to lockdown imo.
But with hindsight we might still assess it was the wrong measure.
I suspect we will be debating that for years or even decades.
As for getting a handle on the virus, it's entirely possible that only herd immunity will do that, and the countries delaying that happening with lockdowns are just delaying the inevitable while incurring unnecessary economic damage in the process.
We have already 0.1 million dead.
EU has 445 million people, so more than 1 million can still die 445(1000^2)0.5*0.5%
There is also question about long term health of people who got COVID-19. Based on Japanese study on Grand Princess passengers [0] and some 6 divers [1] all with mild cases from Germany around 50 to 80% of people seem to have damage to the lungs visible on CT scans after mild symptomatic or even asymptomatic infection. Two of the divers had significant oxygen deficiency when doing physical exercise after 5-6 weeks of recovery. The guess of the doctor who was inspecting them is that this is permanent damage that may take years to recover if ever.
[0] https://pubs.rsna.org/doi/10.1148/ryct.2020200110
[1] https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https...
Edit: I interpreted the number to be in the context of Sweden, as it was mentioned just in the sentence prior. Reply updated to make that clear.
Currently there are little bit more than 0.1 million reported deaths across the EU.
And as I was saying, in the best case scenario, based on the current data [0] 1 million more could die if people would live their lives normally.
But people would not live normally as they do not in Sweden or Belarus and economies would be in downfall anyway.
The difference would be in the number of deaths, long term health issues, as well as in the length of the crisis - probably more like 2 years, or until herd immunity trough vaccination.
[0] https://miro.medium.com/max/1400/1*G6ql9WUz114Mdwktyp53Mg.pn...
Doesn't around 0.8% of the population die each year normally? So at worst (everyone infected) we'd have a year or two where all-cause mortality roughly doubles (concentrated in people 65+ year olds)? That's a big increase and by no means easy to handle, but surely that shouldn't end or stop the economy like you're claiming.
Still, Belarus mobility statistics according to Google [0] are:
Retail & recreation: -16%
Transit stations: -20%
Workplaces: -25%
Their economic activity is certainly reduced right now. People do not want to expose themselves even if their leaders are downplaying it. BTW - Belarus was probably prepared the best in the world for pandemic with 11 beds per 1000 people vs. 5.8 beds per 1000 people in EU in 2010 [2].
So entering speculation again, IMF is projecting 6% GDP contraction in Belarus [1].
Another data point is Open Table (restaurants reservations) data [3] from USA. Most of the drop in reservations happened before lock-down. People decided to not go on their own - on average 73% down before restaurants were ordered to close. My prediction is that up-tick in states that are opening right now will be very small as well.
[0] https://www.gstatic.com/covid19/mobility/2020-04-30_BY_Mobil...
[1] https://www.imf.org/en/Countries/BLR
[2] https://databank.worldbank.org/reports.aspx?source=2&series=...
Of course, activity will decline even in the absence of a lockdown, but far less than if nearly the entire population is forced to shelter-at-home for an indeterminant length of time (all the while failing to build herd immunity).
And people are correct in their everyday choices, herd immunity is just wrong when you have no idea what this virus actually does to people and you can afford to not get sick. If indeed 50% of people including young and middle age asymptomatic/mild cases of COVID-19 lead to permanent lung damage (we don't know!), then "herd immunity" means destroying health of the population, while killing millions at the same time. We are certain that people needing intrusive ventilation will need years to go back to fully normal life, but they may never recover full health.
And I agree, maybe USA, Africa and India can not afford to suppress the virus. Starvation will very likely be bigger killer in those countries. I was and I still am especially worried about India, because I don't see how they could stop exponential spread even with full lock-down. Social distancing is just impossible there. And they have millions upon millions of people that have to work to eat. Thankfully, India seems to be easing lock-down.
But EU economies certainly can afford lock-down. Even Swedish people paid and are paying heavy economical price to stop the exponential growth. But we did suppress the virus, now we can go back to sort of normal life and keep things under control.
When voluntary, each individual can judge whether a particular activity should be continued based on their own circumstances and the particularities of that activity, and give up those activities that provide the least economic return relative to risk incurred.
A cookie-cutter rule OTOH has no such intelligence, and leads to a massive amount of waste, from critical activity being prevented that would have provided a large risk-adjusted social benefit.
It seems as with any partisan issue america jumps on, the party lines are quickly formed, and it's now black or white, you are either for or against.
Your nuance is not appreciated.
The virus is responsible for the economic issues. Lifting the government mandated lockdowns will not change the presence of the virus. Even if the government lifted the lockdown most people will still not consume like they did before. People will not fly like they did before, travel like they did before, eat out like they did before, etc until the root cause is gone.
The lockdown might very well be better for the economy in the long run because it means the root cause is gone sooner. Lifting the lockdown early (or not having a lockdown at all) means the virus will linger around for much longer which means the economy remains in shambles for longer.
You can force people to work, but you cannot force people to consume, and lack of consumption is the main cause of the current economic issues.
The lockdown undoubtedly magnifies the economic damage, given it prevents many people who would otherwise be working, from working, and businesses that would otherwise be operating, from operating.
The only possible rationale I can imagine you having for believing the economic damage without the lockdowns would be the same/worse is that the virus would have hurt productivity even more than the lockdowns did, by killing workers.
But the virus has an extremely low mortality rate for those of working age, and especially those in good health who are disproportionately represented among the most productive, so I don't know how you could reason that absent the lockdown, productivity might have taken an equivalent or larger hit due to more people being infected.
Looking at the available data, it's highly likely that herd immunity, and the decline in the number of deaths per day, would emerge very quickly, and then most people would carry on with their lives.
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_20_...
And let people make the argument if "it's just a Recession Bro"
What time line do people expect for this to be "just a Recession"?
When do people expect business to stop being legally stopped from opening and people wanting to use them across the world. So when will all borders reopen for instance? Vaccines might be 2 years. So this is the best case, the world let's C19 run it's natural course.
Then after that, we will have to pull out of a global financial slump.
We have both a lack of financial confidence combined with a fear of a virus to deal with.