The covid choice: 1) you jail your poulation for 2 years, 2) you adopt a police-state, 3) you accept 1% of your population will die. Seems that India is going for 2).
The Indian government is now utilizing the crisis to fast-pace the process. Not only are they planning to make the contact tracing app registration on new phones mandatory, they're also planning to bring the app to feature phones.
Source: Aarogya Setu coming on feature phones; to cover the entire country https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/software/aarogya-s...
7k+ people die every day due to hunger in india. If government cared when they could easily solve this. (3k are kids).
So I don't think it's about people.
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http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=1%25%20of%20India%20pop...
That is 1913 days of deaths by starvation at the rate you specify.
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=1%25%20of%20India%20pop...
Five and a quarter years.
I am making a bad faith argument but that doesn't mean proposing the 1% of entire country will die due to not having a privacy invasive contact tracing app.
1% is the “good” (less bad) outcome if everyone catches it in a controlled rate before vaccinations are ready.
You only get less than that with a lockdown of some sort. You get way more than that if the medical system can’t keep up with demand.
What’s the medical system like in India these days?
That demographic is going to die soon from something. There is a level of irrationality with all this in pretending that we are dramatically extending the lives of 80yos.
I remember the first death in NYC, Cuomo said they were over 70 and would have died from the flu also because they were in poor health. We have completely lost that level of rationality.
A huge % of the people we are "saving" are going to die in the next year from something else.
When I have tried to express this thought to people I have mostly got a sarcastic "yea fuck grandma, let her die" response that is completely irrational.
[1]: https://nypost.com/2020/03/20/like-having-glass-in-your-lung...
I will consider that as a starting point and compare this to all the unnecessary deaths that happen in the country which government blatantly ignores.
And we still spend 3.6% of the total GDP on the healthcare so not really good. Could be anecdote but I am seeing less specialists in india and more dentists, dermatologist, and cosmetics.
Government hospitals are still unhygienic where I live so I won't even consider going there.
It’s a standard technique that has been successfully used for a long time. For example, it’s how smallpox was finally wiped out.
(This is a separate point to “does this particular app look suspicious?” to which I say “yes”).
> going by government figures (which I doubt somewhat), only under 1k people have died so far.
In India, which is doing the things you’re complaining about.
Meanwhile, the USA, which has less than a quarter of India’s population, has 65,605.
Are you familiar with exponential growth, or do you only ever see the word “exponential” used to mean “rapid” without the strict mathematical meaning?
That's probably because we are in a strict lockdown which is not sustainable. The real effect of contract-tracing will be only be known when the economy is fully opened.
No need to worry about me getting scam calls, I don't have a phone.
Every indian thread makes me paranoid because I feel there is an IT mob hired or some invisible force trying to get it off the front-page or reverse the criticism. It's always the same names making rebuttal to comments, same downvote waves, and they try to put more comments than the upvotes to automatically kill the submission.
Saying that some part of the population will die and should be left to die only seems like a very good idea when you are not in that part of the population.
And I really don't know where the 1% number is from. What guarantee you have that the number won't be 10%? 25%? 50%?
I'm not a member of a cult, but I would much rather have a 1% chance of dying than spend my life in a police-state. That's my personal preference (and yes, I am an old fart, so I have skin in this game).