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Mick West debunked these before:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7jcBGLIpus

He does not, he presents explanations that ignore almost half the facts and for the flir video is possibly factually wrong, as the object does seem to move in the video and not only the camera

While the "go fast" video might be a balloon and we lack enough evidence for the 'gimbal' case to dismiss his explanation (or metabunks for that matter) completely, the Context of the 'flir' video, beeing multiple people observing strange tic tac shape crafts (fravor and the other female pilot, so far unnamed), multiple radar systems picking up on them as confirmed by the princeton radar operator and the flir video showing what are possibly unheard of flight characteristics as analysed in this paper https://www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/21/10/939/htm make these superficial debunking claims rather tedious if not outright disingenuous.

He's mostly "debunked" them for the group of viewers who really want this to be phenomena we already understand.

The broader group of researchers, who are open to anything from atmospheric physics phenomena to straight up aliens, are worth giving a listen regarding his debunking. IMO they ask good questions.

Have you watched his debunking of the "Go Fast" video? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLyEO0jNt6M) I don't see any wiggle room around what he lays out, certainly not enough to warrant putting 'debunk' into "scarequotes". The object simply was not 'going fast'; it was a weather balloon sized object moving at weather balloon speeds that only looks like it's going fast due to parallax.

The only question in my mind is whether the USN is filled with fools who couldn't figure out what he figured out, or whether they're deliberately fucking with us. I'm strongly inclined to think it's the later.

Dude, navy pilots are trained to recognize this. They've had years now to come out with a statement saying it was a balloon and make it go away. They haven't and this story continues to pester their PR guys. But 'ol Mick here is way smarter than all of the pilots and the Navy experts and he says its a balloon, so they're all full of it and it's a balloon? I can't even begin to describe how dumb this sounds. Get real.

Did you miss the "I'm strongly inclined to think it's the later." part? They're fucking with us.

Lol, let's mind-fuck the public and tell em there's shit running around that can radically outperform our best jets/pilots... Um, No. That's even dumber.

If there is an error in Mick West's debunking of the 'go fast' video that changes the conclusion, then please point it out. How fast do you think it's moving, and why do you think that? Otherwise I'm afraid I have a contrary opinion about who's being dumb here. All you've done in this thread is appeal to authority.

I do not know how fast it is going, but I also don't think this Mick guy can tell from the video either. We can't tell from the video because it does not have the required information for either me or Mick to make a determination. The pilots who took the video are very sure its going fast and I think they are correct. They had the extra sensory info to make that determination and I will side with them over what Mick or I can determine by looking at the video. I'm really surprised I have to say that on a board like this which is supposed to cater to intelligent professionals, but apparently I have to. There is no appeal to authority here, I am pointing out that the people who took the video obviously had information available to them that made them say it was moving and fast, plus they are trained to make precisely that determination. I mean, go believe the ex-dev who makes videos for a living if you want, I'm sticking with the pilots.

I tend to agree that the debunking video is a little too sure of itself with regard to the speeds, though I think we could also be over-estimating the competence of the crew in the videos. Maybe they thought it was moving fast because they didn't take the time in those moments to read their instruments. As for the shapes of the objects, I would accept that they are most likely planes, and the rotation an artifact, but this doesn't rule out the possibility they are some classified new aircraft.

Could it possibly be to inspire young minds, get easily influenced people hyped to a part of the military and perhaps see things no else gets to see?

I just came here to share the same video from Mick West. It does seem that there are very "boring" explanations for the all of this footage.

The immediate question that springs to mind is why the US Navy with all its sophisticated technologies were not able to identify these as known aircraft or balloons.

If they could identify these objects, why lie?

If they could not and these are in fact explainable as known craft/balloons, doesn't that imply a serious security risk?

Because the objects are products of the US gov't research.

Most likely, IMO, guided MRVs being tested. ...that's why the folks at ArmsControlWonk are suggesting as well.

From YT comments: Interesting times - the gvmt is releasing UFO videos and enthusiasts start debunking them. It used to be the opposite back in my day.

This explanation sounds plausible. I have a theory that maybe releasing this is also part of strategy to justify spending on the "Space Force" by Trump?...

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