Pentagon officially releases UFO videos [video]
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https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Releases/Release/Article/21...
Here's an older, non-region locked video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUT3rgT3P6E
Many of them were called "conspiracy nuts" when they accused China of mass burning bodies and lying about death rates - something the US intelligence community has now confirmed.
There is a "big population" that believes anything the orange man tells them. It's been probed and will be probed again.
As far as China is concerned there is no news that communist regimes are pathological liars. It's part of the (censorship) system
This kind of hyperbole is not appropriate for this site.
> As far as China is concerned there is no news that communist regimes are pathological liars
Except that every media source, the John Hopkins tracker, every major health department including the WHO, the virologists and epidemiologist communities, and nearly every gov't was repeating the Chinese data - EVERY DAY.
None of them contradicted them.
The people in "those communities" were calling bullshit the entire time, and collecting tons of first-hand accounts of the lies.
...only to be lumped in now as "conspiracy theorists" with the real nuts that are "injecting disinfectants" (which hasn't actually been reported anywhere)?
So aren't you doing a tremendous injustice to those (now arrested) people in China who leaked the truth? ...all because you have this emotional hatred of Trump?
https://books.google.com/books?id=AZoSALzL3V4C
I talked to someone who has a relative that flys high altitude spy planes about this and he said, “I’ll put it this way. There is nothing flying in the air that we don’t fully understand”.
As for the projection idea, that would explain the ability to reach impossible speeds. However as long as this is not demonstrated by anyone your guess is as good as the alien probe guess
> I talked to someone who has a relative that flys high altitude spy planes and he said, “I’ll put it this way. There is nothing flying in the air that we don’t fully understand”.
You see why this might be considered annecdotal at best?
Your somebody's relative's anecdotal proof has definitely put this case to rest. I suggest nobody prose any further questions.
Do we know if this person even has a relative? Maybe they have schizophrenia and it's a relative in their head. My anecdotal idea is that it's probably against some fairly serious oath that those who fly "high altitude spy planes" don't disclose that work to anybody... even relatives... Who knows tho, right?
It seems pretty plausible. The hyper-speed, flying in formation, and the shape of the objects - all seem to be plausible for guided re-entry vehicles for a MRV nuclear missile test.
The broader group of researchers, who are open to anything from atmospheric physics phenomena to straight up aliens, are worth giving a listen regarding his debunking. IMO they ask good questions.
The only question in my mind is whether the USN is filled with fools who couldn't figure out what he figured out, or whether they're deliberately fucking with us. I'm strongly inclined to think it's the later.
While the "go fast" video might be a balloon and we lack enough evidence for the 'gimbal' case to dismiss his explanation (or metabunks for that matter) completely, the Context of the 'flir' video, beeing multiple people observing strange tic tac shape crafts (fravor and the other female pilot, so far unnamed), multiple radar systems picking up on them as confirmed by the princeton radar operator and the flir video showing what are possibly unheard of flight characteristics as analysed in this paper https://www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/21/10/939/htm make these superficial debunking claims rather tedious if not outright disingenuous.
If they could identify these objects, why lie?
If they could not and these are in fact explainable as known craft/balloons, doesn't that imply a serious security risk?
Most likely, IMO, guided MRVs being tested. ...that's why the folks at ArmsControlWonk are suggesting as well.
"I’m glad the Pentagon is finally releasing this footage, but it only scratches the surface of research and materials available. The U.S. needs to take a serious, scientific look at this and any potential national security implications. The American people deserve to be informed."
But he's also really getting up there in years, and he has been agitating about UFOs for a while, so maybe he legitimately wants to know what is up.
I’m a skeptic and love to proven wrong, but is this a bit like how there are hardly any miracles anymore?
It's easy to get objects with no wings to travel at incredible speeds if they are in re-entry. It also explains multiple objects flying in formation.
From the videos, you see extreme-speed objects that are banking aggressively, and audio confirmation of them flying in formation. Is there direct evidence of "actively camouflage, hop around like a ping pong ball, stop in midair and turn on a dime"?
Paper: https://media.lasvegasnow.com/nxsglobal/lasvegasnow/document...
Your 2nd source is a collection of wikipedia snippets and unsourced writting. There's no original source on any of it - nor any indication of authorship. It's scanned and has a few things blacked out to make it look like a gov't document, but there's no indication this was written by any government source.
Additionally when I saw the objects, they were moving erratically.
It’s not at all surprising that the community your talking about would come to this conclusion although wrong.
So maybe it was just traveling at high speed, either away or towards them. From that perspective, turns seem to ping-pong despite the object having constant speed.
But, listen - I'm not saying it's definitely not aliens. It might be aliens - I have no idea. But the videos and the pilot's testimony aren't very strong evidence.
...there's also the possibility that the military knows these are MRVs and they had that pilot make a bogus report to help cover their MRV tests.
I hope if the gov't isn't responsible, that they're investing in catching one of these things.
...and why would you take verbal descriptions of aliens at face value? Extraordinary claims require strong proof. The videos are compelling and warrant further investment in investigation tech.
Also, claiming the objects "moved as if they had no mass" is not supported by either the video NOR the verbal reports.
The problem with UFOs is that there is so much cultural and folklore baloney surrounding the topic. But ignore all that and look at actually reliable case data like this. This is not enough to prove anything but it's enough to suggest that we might want to look.
Personally I would not mind seeing an ultra-wide-field (fish eye?) infrared space telescope watching the solar system. Unless ET found a way around the second law of thermodynamics, anything using non-trivial amounts of energy is going to light up like a beacon in the sky in the infrared spectrum far beyond what can be accounted for by normal solar albedo. For example a large nuclear fusion reactor in space would require enormous heat sinks to not melt itself and the entire spacecraft, and any propulsion system capable of fast movement around the solar system or especially interstellar flight is going to be blindingly bright in the infrared when it executes a burn. Call it near field SETI.
http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/spacewardetect....
First, you have to be generating the energy. No reactor or conversion process can be 100% efficient (second law), so you must reject some heat. If it's solar, you have big-ass solar panels that get hot because they are not 100% efficient. The ISS looks like an orbiting Christmas tree in the infrared.
Second, the "rocket" exhaust might be a directed particle beam but whatever is accelerating that exhaust cannot be 100% efficient (second law again). More rejected heat.
Then you have all the other stuff going on. If the inhabitants are biological, life support for a long-duration large scale space flight is going to be pretty energetically expensive. Think of growing crops, bulk biosynthesis of nutrients, and a whole lot of recycling which usually involves a lot of endothermic reactions to break down waste products. If the inhabitants are post-biological (IMHO more likely for star travelers) then you have a whole lot of computronium of some kind. That's a big flying data center in space, and everyone knows how much heat those put off.
... I could keep going forever.
You can reclaim a bit of heat like we do here on Earth with combined-cycle power plants, but there are absolute, hard, inescapable limits to how much. You also hit diminishing returns pretty fast, and keep in mind that a spacecraft has mass constraints it must work within due to delta-V budget and all that. At some point the graphs are gonna cross where it makes more sense just to reject heat, and any rational engineer will pick that point.
You're gonna need a radiator, and there is no way to make that not visible. If you want to hide from the crazy-ass monkeys on the third planet you could try flying with a reflector in the way to block your heat from the Earth-Moon system and reflect it elsewhere, but the problem is that now your reflector will reflect a bunch of incident solar radiation!
Last but not least: we are in theory talking about interstellar visitors here. Anything capable of interstellar travel is by definition capable of generating absolutely vast mind-boggling amounts of energy. The only physical power planets we know of that could theoretically propel you to the stars (at a reasonable enough speed) are some mix of fusion and matter-antimatter annihilation. Even turning that monster of a power plant on to "idle mode" is going to say "here I am!" in the infrared... if someone is actually looking. AFAIK we are not currently looking.
You are assuming that they bring the power plant with them. What if the power plant is back home, used just to accelerate the ship to relativistic speeds, and the only power plant for propulsion on the ship just needs to overcome friction from interstellar dust? For example, they could use a laser assisted light sail for departure.
When approaching a destination solar system, they could turn off the on-board propulsion while figuring out if that solar system has any life capable of detecting that propulsion system. If it does, they could adjust their route so that they only use active propulsion when the system's sun is between them and the planet of those lifeforms.
My hunch on the Fermi paradox is that the space-faring phase of a civilization requires transitioning into immortal software, dodging around the speed limit of c by becoming very old, and very patient. I suspect such life forms ("Space Ents") wouldn't bother trying to communicate with such rapidly churning species as ourselves, other than perhaps collecting data via probes to be perused hundreds of millennia later.
We know for a fact that such a satellite would have a good chance of spotting any star farers that are remotely like us, even if they are significantly more advanced but still "fast" in terms of their energy use and general way of doing things.
Space Ents belong to a long tail of other possibilities, but they also must obey the second law...
Another solution I think plausible is the "Rendezvous with Rama" scenario. We assume that we are very important so naturally the aliens must be interested in us, but what if they aren't? What if they don't give a shit about us and have better things to do than play with some bald monkeys?
I believe universe must be full of intelligent life, and keep in mind that I got some considerable astrophysics knowledge, but governmental claims mean nothing to me.
1. They want to create misinformation for other countries and waste their time. Perhaps to capture some high-up spy.
2. They want public to be open for existence of aliens. With new TESS and JWST satellites, there is good chance we will find proof of intelligent life very soon.
3. Perhaps they already captured some scout craft and want people not to panic when they release such information.
I think you should consider the possibility that they are deliberately deceiving you. That certainly seems to be the case with the 'go fast' video. Public information on the gimbal camera equipment is lacking, but if the USN is willing to lie about the go fast video, they'd be willing to mislead people about the others as well.
Maybe they think people will assume they're lying about skunkworks type technology, when in reality they're just lying about a weather balloon. This was my original assumption, that they were teasing the existence of radically new technology. However I think the conclusion that the gofast video actually shows a balloon is pretty damn airtight.
If you can't debunk the math, take some.