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I very much second this: the camera is like the snakes game on old Nokias, it's very cool it's there but it's not what I need the most.

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Also, on the iPhones it has actually made the device more annoying because of a very simple thing: the back is not flat! This creates a very bad experience when the phone is on a table or any surface. So the ideal phone would not be an iPhone SE as many suggest this week, it would be an iPhone SE with a flat back, whatever the camera is.

The vast majority of users will put a case on the phone anyway, and that negates the issue of a non flat back.

I never used a case, ever on any iPhone, and never broken any. I still have the non flat back issue. Does that mean I must buy something more to my x00$ phone to make it behave "normally"?

If it really bothers you. Yes. For $10 your issue can be solved.

So an SEv1? (Hat tip to Apple for the brain-dead reuse of a model name which requires disambiguation.)

I think most people use a case. Not using a case on a glass body $400-1200 device you're going to carry around in your pocket is pretty risky.

This is not acceptable: having to use a case to fix a "defect", are you Steeve Jobs from the antenna gate?...

Most people DO use a case and for many reasons unrelated to “fixing” the camera bump.

It has nothing to do with Steve Jobs or Apple. I've never owned an iPhone. Every single Android phone I've owned, I used a case. Same with pretty much everyone I know who has moved beyond the flip phone. It's just a fact of life for pretty much everyone.

Oh, I don’t know - I treat it like the $1K device it is and I have only ever broke one screen in over a decade. Stuff happens - oh well. I love the thinness and weight of the iPhone and detest the bulk and weight added by cases. Just don’t toss stuff around haphazardly.

Also, the Apple Watch has dramatically cut down on the number of times I have to fish my phone out of my pocket; usage patterns shouldn’t be discounted.

If I had kids using my phone all the time or was constantly juggling it I might feel differently, but I reject the notion that everyone should just put their phone in a case and that be considered the norm.

Not only are there cases, which resolve the issue, but most people use phones while held in their hand, so the bump doesn’t lie against anything. The problem with the bump is purely aesthetic.

Having to use a case to fix a "defect" is not acceptable. Are you Steeve Jobs from the antenna gate?

I personally never used a case, ever on any iPhone, and never broken any.

I used to be the same. Then I broke one. Replacing the screen wasn't a huge burden, but I use a case and a (glass) screen protector now anyway.

Why should a phone be required to lie flat on its back? And if raised a little by a bump, how does that impair usage? What’s the defect? The bump, if anything, is a feature, because it prevents the whole back of the phone from being placed against a surface and possibly being scratched.

It's not a defect. You want the phone to work differently from how it was designed, and you have a tool to achieve that (a case). You can use the tool, or rage at something you don't have the power to change.

I bet it's more important than the ability to make phone calls.

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