sometimes I think Trump makes these dumb quotes just for free publicity... hopefully he doesn't kill too many people in the process...
UVB phototherapy saved my life. Involving a ridiculous amount of planning, effort, oversight, followup. No one is more pro UV than me. (eg I asked about using non visible light as a diagnostic tool when people started playing around with UV photography.) When there are novel UV therapies, I want to hear about it from my doctors, not the POTUS.
Especially at the expense of concrete things needing to be done ASAP, like ramping up testing and contact tracing.
You might as well condemn all newspapers, websites, or newscasters, and commenters the moment they start talking about potential new areas of research or treatment.
The reason the media got all pissy about it is because the President started doing what they consider to be their own proprietary job that nobody else can do: spreading rumors (aka "news").
"Hi all. Thanks for coming. We've been kicking around some ideas. You all know Dr. Fauci. I've asked him to share what we now know, what we're thinking. He'll also answer all your questions. Please give him your full attention."
I'm just saying that the hypocritical hyperventilating about this is absurd.
“A fool can throw a stone in a pond that 100 wise men can not get out”
Not sure we even ought to try.
It all lands on his head. What else does being the President mean? He's screwed up the message royally, because he's an ordinary dufus who likes to hear himself talk, operating way out of his depth. That's an honest appraisal, given the avalanche of examples.
IF he actually says "incoherent gibberish", how can you definitely say he was not suggesting to drink bleach?
You're claiming that any attempt to clarify the incoherence is 'lying', but if it's truly incoherent, can you tell what the actual intent was? Is it just after the fact self-assessments of something being "a joke" or "sarcastic" that serve to clarify?
I didn't. I said he did not say to drink bleach. If you want to believe that those words "suggest" drinking bleach, that is an entirely different argument.
>You're claiming that any attempt to clarify the incoherence is 'lying',
They are not trying to clarify. Read the transcript, a reported specifically did ask for clarification, and was given it. So no, there is no question he did not say to drink bleach, every reporter there knows this because of the one reporter that actually asked for clarification. They are not trying to clarify, they are trying to misrepresent. That's called lying.
If folks are doing stupid stuff to spite 'the media', then that's just Darwin at work.
"We're preparing to launch a submarine offensive".
"We need to do more to address homelessness".
"I'm having a team investigate infrastructure spending bills".
Those sorts of quotes are not anything like "drink bleach".
Within the span of a few seconds, Trump strings together "disinfectant" and "injection" and "sounds interesting". We've already seen someone drink chloroquine phosphate, after days of Trump mentioning hydroxychloroquine multiple times, with lines like "If it were me, in fact, I might do it anyway. I may take it" and "what have you got to lose?"
Did Trump specifically say the words "Drink any form of chloroquine on your own?" No. In the midst of a global health pandemic, he keeps throwing a bunch of words together which don't make much sense, and can easily influence people to make bad decisions. His influence in this matter has already been demonstrated.
A danger of multiple people saying "don't do it" is... a certain portion of people will read that as a sign that "they" don't want you to get healthy, and that Trump is "on to something", and they may do this sort of thing anyway.
So, you are fully and entirely aware that he said nothing of the sort, so much so you afraid to actually quote him and just want to pull individual words and say "these words were near each other!". And none of those words are drink or bleach. This supports my point.
>We've already seen someone drink chloroquine phosphate, after days of Trump mentioning hydroxychloroquine multiple times
And when the woman who poisoned her husband with fish tank cleaner is convicted, is that going to change anything in your mind? Or will you simply dismiss reality as inconvenient and cling to your media created fantasy?
The President did not tell Americans to inject bleach. The President did speculate, at a press briefing, about the possibility of injecting disinfectants into the human body. To me it seemed pretty clear that he was talking about a research idea, not about a home treatment.* The President added the caution that doctors should be involved.
Agreed?
*Personal opinion, I don't believe he was clear about the lethality of this idea if somebody is silly enough to try it at home.
Transcript excerpt: "THE PRESIDENT: Right. And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that. So, that, you’re going to have to use medical doctors with. But it sounds — it sounds interesting to me."
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-pres...
Yes, the preceding paragraph makes that clear.
>On the other hand I don't think he made that point 100% clear.
Definitely not, most of what he said is barely coherent nonsense. So if the media wants to report on that, they should report what he said, or even "we have no idea what he is babbling about". But instead the media openly lies about what he said. We have huge numbers of people right here being outraged that Trump would give people the idea that drinking bleach is a good idea, yet it is the media giving people that idea, not Trump. Our media is not simply failing us, they are actively harmful. It is disgraceful.
Unfortunately that applies to the media on both deranged "sides" of the post-truth landscape. When they misreport, they're wrecking the place. They all do it, and the old excuse "well the other guys are doing it" is the opposite of comforting.
How does that make the media lying ok? The president being a dumbass does not excuse the media lying, especially not with such dangerous lies.
https://reason.com/2020/04/24/its-not-fake-news-trump-did-ac...
There is no way for them to pretend they don't know better here. They are outright saying "our lie isn't a lie" and repeating the lie.
" Did the president recommend that Americans inject themselves with bleach as a COVID-19 cure or prophylactic? Strictly speaking, no. As McEnany emphasized, he said "you're going to have to use medical doctors" for that sort of thing. But he did idly speculate that, since disinfectants kill the COVID-19 virus on surfaces, it was worth investigating whether they might work as a treatment, and he specifically mentioned "injection," which was not only scientifically naive but reckless given the prevalence of quack remedies and wacky ideas about how to ward off the disease. "
I wouldn't discard that is clearly a smokescreen to give journalists something to write about. It was in the same day as the embarrassing psychological mark of 50.000 US citizens killed were reached (if I'm not wrong)... and everybody is talking about bleach-yes / bleach-not.
If the real purpose was that, it was clearly effective. Mission acomplished; journalists confused and running in circles; lets move on.
The other possibility is that Trump would not be aware that UV rays cause skin cancer, so would cause lung cancer really fast. Seems unlikely to me. Not to mention that skin has melanin. Human lungs are like a norwegian albino in Torrevieja standing in the middle of the street at 15h. No; Trump most probably knows yet that the sunlight can hurt.
I assume also that trump knows yet that bleach burns human mucous tissues. I would have a hard time thinking the opposite.
In terms of deathcount, Coronavirus is turning quickly in another Vietnam for US, when 58k US soldiers were killed.
And is being much worse for Europe (all should be said). We are not laughing about it. Trust me.
But well, maybe is like you say and the republican party is letting him run wild without any cordon sanitaire at sight. I don't really know. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I'm just astonished with the current cuckooland of free, like the rest of the world.