The road to riches is this simple: Drive a crappy car (2019)
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The example of the basketball player who makes $100MM driving a 20 year old car doesn't help. A new car would not alter his financial situation in the least, and he sure didn't get rich by driving an old car.
I know people that can't afford to maintain and park a car. They got a job that offers a bus pass for $10/mo - much more affordable than driving their crappy car.
As for the basketball player making millions driving a beater, he's a hell of a lot smarter than the pro athletes who spend 20 years driving Lambo's and living in $20 million homes then retire broke.
There is obviously a point between those extremes where you are making good money and enjoying (reasonably) good things but erring on the side of driving the paid off car is almost always better.
For some it might just mean the difference between a modest retirement and not being able to retire at all. If you make a good living, it could easily be the difference between being rich and living paycheck to paycheck. I know a lot of people with great jobs who couldn't be unemployed for 3 months. Just making money doesn't make you wealthy, at some point you have to accumulate wealth and eliminate debt or you can easily end up under-water.
There is no such animal. As the car ages, repairs and maintenance costs inevitably mount. Then of course you have constant costs like insurance, gas/electricity, etc.
And this isn’t just a anecdotal. The Corolla has been a well rated reliable car by many sources for years. It’s just boring as hell.
"What does it take to own a Sunbeam Alpine MkII worth a small fortune? Start with a large fortune."
Eventually mechanical things need more repairs than they are worth functioning. That is a negative value car. People who can wrench themselves can make those repairs only for the cost of parts and if you think about it as a hobby, then you actually aren't paying for labor, but even then, you spend far more than the return the car could give you.
The question is whether the repairs over time cost more than the monthly cost of a newer car.
Assuming there are no features you feel you need on the newer car.
But I think the truth is, by the time a single repair can cost more than a car is worth, people are usually sick of it, and a nonsense reason is all that's needed.
All the cars I've owned have been used cars with over 100k miles. Pick a reliable brand and my observation is that value is more asymptotic than not at >10 years old and >100k miles. You have to factor the cost of repairs into your TCO and be willing to put up with some crappiness like dents, scratches and interior cosmetic issues. But it's much more economical than buying newer cars.
I wasn't claiming that it isn't cheaper to do what you have done, just that cars continue to depreicate. And you have made my point.
This is genius, thank you. I have been very nervous of my kids texting while driving.
I drive a 19 year old Toyota truck I bought used a couple years ago for $8500. If I'd bought new I would have paid nearly twice that much in payments over the 2 years I've owned it and be looking at another 5 years of payments ahead of me.
Even if I have $8000 in repairs every year for the next 5 years I'm way ahead. But most likely this truck will last me another 10 years or more.
This fear that "maintenance cost" ramp up ridiculously is a fiction dreamed up by car dealers.
Definitions of crappy vary as do things like whether to go with the relative predictability of a new car or the probable better value of a used one. But it’s certainly true that, for a lot of people, car costs that aren’t really required for functional transportation can be a big chunk of discretionary spend.
Unfortunately, certain countries, such as Canada, are very hostile to cars. The weather and road salt take a toll.
Short-term thinking is common, but blanket statements like this are way too simplistic.
The author also misses the major point that buying a car is not lighting money on fire. Yes, it does depreciate, but you also get value of out it in the form of transportation, pleasure, and other utility.
That doesn't mean you should blow all your money on a car, it just means you should live within your means, and that you should be sure you are getting good value out of your car for how you spend.
The article doesn't suggest that. The article is in MarketWatch, most people in their target audience are able to make ends meet and are looking towards their future. The idea here is if the reader is earning $100k/ year, drives a paid off Honda Civic for 10 years, they are going to be significantly better off in 10 years than if they buy a $40,000 Camry every 5 years.
> The author also misses the major point that buying a car is not lighting money on fire. Yes, it does depreciate, but you also get value of out it in the form of transportation, pleasure, and other utility.
It's not just about depreciation, you are also paying a ton of interest, increased insurance, and increased taxes/ fees in most states. Yes, there is a ton of utility, but you can get that same utility for 1/8th as much buying a solid used car or just keeping your existing car nice for another 5 years.
The example of the guy making millions driving a beater is extreme, but the number of people needlessly paying 10-20% of their income on car payments is quite high and that's the people this article is targeting.
He's not an executive or a director or a C-level, just an upper-level cog in the machine. But his skills and reputation are such that he can command that kind of money. More importantly, he has been with the company he works for over 25 years, and in his contract he gets a certain percent raise, plus merit pay. That percent over 25 years adds up. And the company is happy to pay it because it would rather not compensate him with extra time off like it does other employees.
He drives an old pickup truck. He lives in a perfectly adequate home in a perfectly ordinary neighborhood and is a super nice guy. Maybe he tells stories that are too long, but I've never known anyone to dislike him.
I don't know what he does with his money, other than he bought his parents a house a few years back. He's single with no children so I wonder what will happen to all of his money when he dies. Probably go to a charity or something.
He is easily the happiest man I've ever met.
(I realize this is not really an option for a lot of Americans.)
I second this, my work is 10 minutes away cycling, city centre is also about 10 walking.
I know that not everyone has this privilege but it really puzzles me how most of my neighbors own (and use) cars to perform pretty much the same commute.
Taking money out of context for a bit, when I used to own cars they also took a significant amount of time and attention from me. I know it may not be for everybody but switching to bike+bus+walk has been a liberating experience for me as well.
Also use German stores/supermarkets for shopping because that's very cheap in Europe
You mean if they walk half an to the bus which comes once an hour and take another hour to get to their destination where they have to walk another half an hour? Public transit in most of the US is really really bad.
If you live less than 3 miles from where you work, biking is cheap and as fast as a car in a lot of cases. Even if you are 5 miles from work, it's less than a half an hour commute (and you are almost completely immune to congestion). eBikes make it even faster.
Bus/ public transit are highly variable depending on where you live. For me it saves a trivial amount of time versus riding my bike so I don't bother, but our bus system is pretty good and if I couldn't pedal 7 miles, it's only 20 minutes on the bus versus 12 driving and I wouldn't have to deal with parking.
In which cities and on which incomes?
I live in a pretty modest house in an area with relatively low taxes. My two “excessive” spends are my car and stuff for my kids. Thankfully I make enough to cover up most financial mistakes.
Nobody is getting rich driving a beater car over a new-ish Toyota
Driving a beater won't make you rich, but buying new cars every 3 years makes you a lot less rich. When you have a $600+/ month car payment and you get laid off, it's a lot more stressful than when you own your car free and clear.
I don't buy beaters, but I do buy cars, pay them off quickly, and enjoy them for 8-10+ years. When you don't have a car payment you have a lot more discretionary money to enjoy on nice things and it's a lot easier to save for retirement.
In fact, I think that's the best life advice that I don't notice people giving - try not to make decisions for multiple decades at a time because you will change over time. The way you know you're young is you haven't realized yet that in "a few" decades you will be old.
- Spend less than you earn. The less, the better.
- Invest in equities, preferably low cost index funds.
- Follow this pattern for at least 25 years.
Many people have followed this formula with great success. Read more at Bogleheads.org
Seriously, don’t spend money you don’t have on depreciating assets. Only borrow to buy appreciating assets (housing, education, sometimes business expenses for most people).
Where is this $40k number actually coming from? I read the linked articles but there didn't seem to be any detailed analysis that I saw...
> The takeaway here is that your financial well-being is not the product of a million small decisions, but two or three big decisions.
Uhh maybe it's both? I've done a detailed analysis of our finances for many years. I find that those little things really do add up. Changing my lifestyle such that I have cheap hobbies, don't eat out, don't drink alcohol (esp. at restaurants), and make coffee at home has actually saved me a lot of money. On the order of many thousands per year compared to my prior bad habits.
Lifestyle creep really does happen if you aren't focused on stopping it. Yes, I can "afford" to eat out 7 days per week and go to Starbucks every single day and lease high-end cars. My bank account will actually probably still be growing even if I did this. However, it won't grow nearly as much as if I just cool my jets and live a modest lifestyle
Average new car in the U.S. is $36k. Maybe he was just rounding to the nearest $10k?
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/22/car-prices-are-rapidly-incre...
Of course, that's according to Edmunds, so it might not be correct, and, moreover, the median would be less sensational.
So for instance driving a Corolla when you are making 500k a year and you are passionate about cars doesn’t make much sense. Living in a nice 500k house might make sense because it is adequate and leaves your money available for investment in higher performing things.
I know what numbers I want to hit in 10 years. Anything beyond that is available for use living My best life.
The good part about buying older cars is that there's information out there about which parts are likely to fail and when (and you can probably assess the cost of repairs too, which you can then factor in to the price). And if you can take it for a test drive, take a peek under the hood, and check for stamps in the service book, you have a decent chance of weeding out the worst pieces.
I can't think of many things that would cost several thousand dollars to repair, except for some of the biggest jobs like gearbox or engine replacement. Good thing that modern engines and gearboxes are quite reliable and it's not common for them to just fail without any signs. Bad clutch can be expensive but I think you should be able to tell when it's about to go.
So when you buy an old car for, say, $7k, you're taking some chances and might end up needing to spend a few extra thousand on repairs, but chances are it'll be just fine with routine repairs. That's almost always going to be more cost effective than dropping $15k - $20k on a relatively new Toyota, let alone some more expensive car.
As I recall I had a prior vehicle that I also spent too much on near the end of its life.
Recently donated an old car that started to have some sort of ABS brake weirdness. I had pretty much made the decision to not put any more money into it—and I didn’t drive it a lot anyway.
Pay cash if you can, maintain it well, and drive it into the ground.
$200 a month tossed in a decent investment over a typical working life will yield something like $200,000 by late middle age. That can be the difference between near-destitution and reasonable comfort in retirement.
I had out-of-control spending until I did a detailed audit of my finances 5-ish years ago and I changed my lifestyle in lots of ways: cheaper car, very few restaurants, cheap vacations, cheap hobby, cheap mortgage... it literally has saved me about $1700 per month (yes, literally... I earn a good amount so I had lifestyle creep!). This savings promptly goes into an investment account. That amount over 20 years could become $775,000 if invested!
Meanwhile if you're fine with putting around in your Toyota, then just do so. And write articles about how it's the same thing as driving a Porsche but cheaper. Puke.
My last car was a 2004 STi, I bought it new and drove it over 14 years. Good car. I sold it for a 10-year old (2008) Lexus IS F. Both good enthusiast cars, the Lexus had low miles, so I'm hoping to get quite a few good years out of it, too.
Let's say for sake of simplicity you spend $500/month on a nice car instead of $200/month on a basic car. The difference of $300/month invested for 30 years at a 6% return is a whopping $292,353.89
IMO a better strategy is to change your values. Becoming the kind of person who doesn't value a nice car could be a very valuable asset.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/green-living-blog/20...
Googling around, I got 9-17 tons of CO2 to produce a new car. Let's assume 17. For a mid sized gas-powered car, I found an estimate of 0.133 kg CO2/km driven, and for an EV, 0.043 kg.
Let's not count the CO2 the beater car's production put out, that's old news. Let's assume a new car gets driven 200 000 km before it is scrapped. For 200 000 km driven, we get these CO2 footprints:
Beater: 26.6 tons CO2 EV: 25.6 tons CO2.
So for those values, it's really pretty similar! The devil is in the details though - 17 tons of CO2 is a pretty rough estimate for production, one would hope to get more than 200 000 km out of a new car, and the means of electricity production has an effect on the EV's footprint per KM.
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