Comment by newfeatureok | Hacker News Reader

Comment by newfeatureok | Hacker News Reader

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This post is so out of touch with reality I don't know where to begin. I also work at Google, making a similar amount as you do. To suggest that all you have to do to make $400K+ is "just know what to do, know where to be, and be willing to put in a lot of time and effort" is just ludicrous.

I guarantee you, and anyone else reading this, that with very little information I can predict with high accuracy how much money you make.

- Where you were born

- How much money your parents make

- Your health status at birth

- What college you went to, if applicable

- What you majored in while in college, if applicable

- How much your prioritize making money

I hate to say it, but the #1 predictor of your income is your parents' own situation. So if you want to make more money, be born to better parents. They will gift you the health, genetic advantages and socioeconomic circumstances that will statically make you succeed.

For everyone else, understand the rules of the game and bend them as much as possible. One thing I hate about working at Google is the sheer amount of out of touch engineers here. Everyone is so nice and friendly, but as soon as you talk about anything related to money you can see that some people are living, in a matter of speaking, on another planet.

EDIT: Looks like the post was edited to be removed. Basically the OP was saying he made 400K+ at Google and their significant other made another 200K as a car salesperson and they are both "run of the mill" at their jobs. The OP then goes on to say that if you try hard enough it's pretty easy to get to the position their at.

Ironically the reaction of removing the post is exactly the same sort of reaction I get in person in when money or money related matters is ever the subject of a conversation with someone who is an engineer at Google. If a non-engineer is in the conversation the engineer will just say life isn't fair and leave.

IQ matters a lot too. People who make a lot of money tend to be smarter than the general population, such as doctors or software developers. A car salesman may make $200k but these tend to be huge outliers. The median tech workers does better than the median car salesman. Commission work is a bitch.

Meanwhile, the truly wealthy pass down fortunes to their children who show no outward signs of exceptional intelligence or skill.

I’d also imagine those with the highest IQs in American society are academics in STEM fields, who are hardly rich by the measure of our current inequality.

"Where you were born"

The cost of living is different everywhere. You could live like a king in a country like Cambodia and be barely middle class in the US.

"How much money your parents make"

This doesn't really have to do much with success. I know plenty of people (myself included) that grew up with barely enough to scrape by and make much more than their parents.

"What college you went to, if applicable"

This helps, of course. Mostly because it is an example of being able to start and finish something that's difficult and stick with it until the end. Someone that can do this will most likely be successful in other areas of life.

You also have companies like Google looking down on anyone that doesn't come from an elite college, which only makes it more difficult for everyone.

"How much your prioritize making money"

This is a big factor, but it is a choice. I have a friend that is college educated and intelligent. Hates the idea of making money and works a minimum wage job at 35 years old. The only reason she isn't living in poverty is because her husband is a manager at a major corporation and makes really good money.

"For everyone else, understand the rules of the game and bend them as much as possibly"

What a terrible outlook on life. The Internet has made it so anyone can start a business with almost no money. Instead of taking advantage of this, too many people waste their days on social media and instead try to lobby the government to give them a pay wage increase.

> This doesn't really have to do much with success. I know plenty of people (myself included) that grew up with barely enough to scrape by and make much more than their parents.

A lot of people like yourself, who grow up poor say this. However you're wrong. It's not to say that your success is predetermined entirely by your parents' socioeconomic status, but it's a large (and according to many scholars, the largest) predictor. Also, I have to say the usual disclaimer that correlation is not causation and all that.

In general I'd say hard work is necessary, but not sufficient to succeed.

Source: https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/hendren/files/mobility_geo...

"A lot of people like yourself, who grow up poor say this. However you're wrong"

Yeah, well, I have plenty of examples that prove otherwise.

"In general I'd say hard work is necessary, but not sufficient to succeed."

Hard work is always necessary for success. Unless your parents or relatives are giving you money..nobody will just hand it to you.

@newfeatureok, @onlyrealcuzzo, @unclemeat (and perhaps others)

Slightly off-topic, but curious. Are you quoting salaries, or the amount you've been earning including stock/options you've been granted and how it has performed?

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