That depends upon the metric used to measure it. If one were to use life expectancy, college attainment, or judicial bias the metrics show a bit different of a response. Granted, this does differ greatly in some countries, but the 'our society' in general usage is meant on a society by society basis and not to take the world wide average of all societies. Our society does have a significant glass ceiling in place, but there is also a significant glass floor which seems to be often given far less attention in these sorts of discussions.

I disagree as jwomers made it pretty clear with what they meant.

> Men do not face these issues (although of course race, ethnicity etc are also issues, so many men face discrimination, but not because they are men, for other reasons).

> A charitable interpretation of what jwomers meant is that overall, when looked at in the aggregate of our society, men face less harmful discrimination against their gender than women do.

What I don't understand is how adding more discriminatory rules/events/companies/club reduces overall discrimination.

>The reason a community like WomenMake is valid and important while something like MenMake is not, is because women have and still do face systemic discrimination in society, and in the workplace (and especially tech workplace

The defense is always "Women are treated terribly, so what of it if men receive some abuse.", I don't agree with the logic. Creating animosity, which things like this generally do (just given the comments..), doesn't seem ultimately useful for ending sexism; it just reinforces it the other way.

I don't want to think of what the swing-back will be like, and that's what it seems we're setting ourselves up for as a society.