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So... What's the value proposition over, say, Firefox?

Massive for corporate, since it supports Enterprise Mode lists for IE11 backwards compatibility. We can all finally use one single browser, with single sign on to our apps, and support for new technology.

I love firefox. The only big difference for now is that it is better integrated with windows. You can swipe back on the trackpad to go back and use your touchscreen seamlessly (even the keyboard pops up correctly without screwing the size of the window) Firefox doesn't do that well.

I love firefox too, it's my go-to browser at work on Linux and at home on macOS. It really isn't as well integrated into macOS either though, especially compared to Chrome and Safari. The trackpad support (or lack of it) would probably have been a deal breaker when I got a mac if I wasn't already a long-term Firefox user and quite Google-sceptic.

Microsoft integration.

Already installed in Windows.

Microsoft supported = huge for corps that live in MS ecosystem.

Best quality for Netflix streaming.

No need to have Google Chrome installed.

You get Chrome's large ecosystem of browser extensions, with much less Google tracking. That's how I see it at least.

> much less Google tracking Specifically, with Microsoft tracking in place of Google's for initial telemetry.

Whether that makes its way to Google somewhere along the lines or not is a different story.

But then you add Microsoft tracking which is even worse. Why not just use Chromium and have no tracking?

Why is Microsoft tracking "even worse" than Google tracking?

I'm pretty sure Google has infected more of the Internet than Microsoft.

> Why is Microsoft tracking "even worse" than Google tracking?

Without specifics is hard to know what the message you replied to meant but one thing where I find MS tracking worse than anything Google can do on the Internet right now is that MS tracks and reports my local OS use (what applications I install/run, how long I run them, what files I have) while an Internet tracker can only get access to what the browser allows which generally limits sharing the type of information I listed.

EDIT: And pretty much all browsers have an Incognito mode or you can use TorBrowser which goes beyond that but I cannot similarly defend myself against my own local OS privacy invasion.

I use a Linux desktop and I’m looking forward to using MS Edge there when it is released so I guess I don’t have that concern.

I’m already using it on my Mac.

Because Microsoft is also collecting data from the OS level as well if you're using Windows. It's easy to keep sensitive data out of Gmail. It's hard to keep it of your computer entirely.

Not google and your web apps will work and be snappy.

Not implying this is all good.

And if you do webdev, chrome dev tools are still the best. While firefox tools keep getting better, i still find myself regularly launching chrome just for those.

I feel the opposite, I prefer the Firefox dev tools by far. The CSS Grid and CSS Animation tools are lacking hard on Chrome. I feel though that overall they're close to equal, some tools are better on one platform than the other, but it's personal preference at the end of the day.

I don't agree. I think it is just what you are used to using. I'm used to Firefox and find their dev tools to be superior to Chrome, but I'm pretty sure that is just because I'm just more used to Firefox's dev tools (having used them since the firebug days).

I feel like I regularly see similar comments, touting the superiority of Chrome devtools. I haven’t used Chrome in a few years; what do they have that others don’t?

The only moment I would use chrome devtools is when I need to debug remote devices (Android webview)

a11y. i18n. They did a lot there.

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