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Does anyone see the same fate happening to Reddit? Or are they too big and too entrenched at this point?

One thing that really made reddit different from the other communities that were a thing in its early days was the insistence on wholly-separate subreddits rather than the various overlapping tag schemes which were trendy at the time on delicious, fark, digg, LJ, etc.

I don't know if spez and kn0thing had some special insight about this, but my experience with it over the long term has been that you can be subbed to a few reddits for your preferred niche interests, and enjoy almost complete isolation from whatever toxicity is going on over in r/politics or wherever else (barring the occasional bit of brigading, which is basically just a mess for the smaller-community mods to clean up).

So there's clearly a large number of mainline users who basically just read whatever reddits are default on the logged-out homepage. But I think there's also a super long tail of users who don't read those at all, and my hunch is that it's that long tail of users who have probably sustained the site over the long term, and will continue to give it a lot of resiliency going forward.

subreddits are kinda but not really like usenet... separated groups of like minded people. it's the only thing (along with old.reddit.com) that keeps me there.

Thats whats making them different and keeping them alive, but whats killing them and will eventually is their formatting and ads.

When it was getting popular you'd have a good 100 lines of actual readable text on a screen, with 15 maybe 20 links on the homepage. The content, the draw, was there. Now with their own redesigns, there are ads injected everywhere on the site. On the mobile apps you get 1 ad per 2 thread links.

How can you make the experience 5x worse from when it started and not eventually lose users? Its the equivilent of the makers of a snack food slowly replacing their recipe with filler. One day people will wake up and go, wait this is actually terrible!

I distinctly remember that censorship was a big problem.

There was the whole DVD CSS key nonsense or maybe it was the key for Blu-ray or HD-DVD being censored on the site and the users kinda disobeying the sites mods.

I certainly stopped using the site after that. I never used reddit until recently.

You're thinking of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AACS_encryption_key_controvers...

It was HD-DVD

Thanks. I do remember people started moving over to reddit back then or at least starting to look around. I know I certainly did. But I just want to using traditional forums.

The three reddit founders didn't have special insight initially: for years, reddit had no subreddits. Those came later as a sort of necessity.

Anyone remember the date when subreddits were added?

Per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Reddit#Full_timeli..., the site launched in 2005, and from pretty early on there were a handful of centrally-managed ones like science, programming, etc, with the option to create arbitrary ones coming in 2008.

So technically "years", but those were the very early days.

Probably the latter. Once you have that big a userbase + not much competition it's hard to go down unless something catastrophic happens.

One could say the same about FB too though but I think FB is dying/dead. Only reason they are relevant is because of their acquisitions - IG, Whatsapp and messenger and people using FB login for sites. As a content platform, I don't think that many people use FB anymore.

FB still makes the majority of its huge amounts of revenue and profit from FB. Messenger and Whatsapp currently do almost nothing financially.

I don't have Whatsapp but I do have messenger. Messenger shows me ads and I would even say they are more effective than the ads on FB. Does FB disclose how much they make in ads from individual sources?

a lot of early reddit came from digg

every community in the history the internet falls to eternal september at some point

There is a post on HN right now about predictions for the next decade. My prediction would be Reddit dying/overtaken by another site in next 2-3 years.

I think Digg/Slashdot/Myspace/Friendster show that on the Internet you're never too big to fail. If someone comes along that does it better right as you make some big blunder (redesigns that primarily cater to advertisers are a common issue) you can lose your userbase seemingly overnight.

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