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1) Saying "I want to enable analytics" and marking all options to send analytics by default (since they know most users don't read anyway) is what I am saying that Apple "defaults on". This is still better than other OSes, however if you really are a "privacy first company" is not enough.

However sure, I didn't explain correctly and I don't remember the last time I setup my iPad (this is the only Apple device I have so this will what I will be using for comparison).

2) It still shouldn't exist, or at least they should ask in Wizard because this option I am sure they did not ask because I had to search on how to disable it (and the way to disable it isn't obvious either).

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> I don't remember the last time I setup my iPad

Then you must not be up to date then, because at least iOS 12 and iOS 13 both re-asked after updating.

> It still shouldn't exist

In a utopian world, I agree. But there are legitimate business needs for something like this to exist, and if you don’t provide a method with an acceptable compromise (neither side likes it, but that’s usually the case with a “compromise”) between user privacy and business need and mandate only it’s usage (which Apple did), then apps will do far worse. Just look at the shenanigans pulled on the web.

> Then you must not be up to date then, because at least iOS 12 and iOS 13 both re-asked after updating.

I am up-to-date to iOS 13, however since iOS 13 was basically my worst recent experience with an OS update (tons of things broken and took a while to fix it) you will have to excuse me that I don't remember they asking my privacy settings.

> But there are legitimate business needs for something like this to exist

I didn't say it shouldn't, because I understand. However if Apple is really privacy, they should put this option in wizard with default off, and say something like "if you want personalized ads turn this on". The fact that they turns this on by default and don't show in wizard is my point.

> However if Apple is really privacy, they should put this option in wizard

I agree with you in theory, but read my point again. If everyone disabled it, then app developers would find a worse way (privacy wise) to accomplish the same goal.

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