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I've stopped paying attention to all these auto manufactures like Rivian, VW, etc. All they do is keep announcing how they are going to take the industry by storm but yet never release a product or are working on it. Meanwhile Tesla pumps out a few thousand vehicles a month and the media makes it sound like it in big trouble. Ford, GM, VW are junk.I wouldn't buy any of their vehicles ICE or Electric. I worked for Ford 20 or so years ago and bought a Toyota (2000 4Runneris still going @ 300k + miles).

Although I'm glad they're pursuing electrification, it's all B.S until I see mass production.

If I were a betting man, all my money would be on the one horse that actually showed up for the race.

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Not sure what you are talking about.

VW Group has already released a car which is in the hands of customers today i.e. Porsche Taycan. And there are plenty of EV cars today from the big auto manufacturers e.g. Audi, BMW, Mercedes. Some of which even outsell all Tesla cars in a country or two.

And it's hilarious to see you go on about car companies pre-announcing products when Tesla did exactly the same with the Cybertruck, Model Y, Roadster, Semi.

The Taycan is also the least efficient EV on the market... https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a30199684/porsche-taycan-e...

The VW group EVs are mostly junk and don't even compete with 8 year old Tesla's. That's tosay nothing about their pitiful charging network or substandard pilot assistance applications.

I am a German car fanatic and would love to own a German EV. The reality is they still have a long way to go.

> Some of which even outsell all Tesla cars in a country or two.

Which cars, where? Not being snarky, I'm actually curious.

Well, let's look at the world's top two car markets: China and Europe.

The Audi e-tron and the Jaguar I-Pace outsell the Tesla Model X in Europe. The Mercedes EQC will probably also outsell the Model X next year. The VW e-Golf does well in Europe so the Volkswagen ID.3 might outsell the Model 3 in 2020 or maybe 2021: https://ev-sales.blogspot.com/2019/12/europe-november-2019.h...

The Model 3 is outsold by a number of models in China. The Model S and Model X don't make the top 20. Maybe the Chinese built Model 3s will do better next year: https://ev-sales.blogspot.com/2019/12/china-november-2019-up...

The Taycan is not yet released, and not slated to until "Spring/Summer 2020". And since that's a lot of time till then, it might slip more.

https://insideevs.com/news/383171/porsche-taycan-delivery-de...

Here's one: https://electrek.co/2019/12/21/first-us-porsche-taycan-owner...

Here's another one: https://www.taycanforum.com/threads/drove-home-my-taycan-tur...

There are Taycans driving around in LA right now...

There are also Cybertrucks driving around LA. Doesn't mean its released yet.

No, there is a Cyber Truck being driven around by Elon Musk in LA.

There are multiple Taycans being driven around LA by people who don't work for Porsche.

The Taycan is a dreadful EV. Inferior to the Model S in nearly every way and at double the cost.

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