Spoiler. Been there, done that. Unless you're at an Ivy, if you're majoring in philosophy, you'll not think it was worth it in five years. My sin was Classics, but similar outcome.
Assuming you're on HN because you're teaching yourself programming, the sting will be somewhat lessened (that's the route I took), since you'll at least be able to get a job.
But it'll still sting to make those massive loan payments knowing that nothing you learned is helping you with your professional life, and that things like philosophy, mathematics, and languages (and computer science!) can be learned just as easily with discipline, YouTube, and a few good textbooks.
It's very easy to delay the pain of loan payments when you're in school, but they'll be there waiting for you, inevitably, through sickness and health, marriage and divorce.
If you have endless curiosity, college is even less worth it. Instead, being loan-free gives you the freedom to work in areas that truly intrigue you, and to work in very low-paying internships while you're learning.
But I know I won't convince you. Likely no one could have convinced me at the time (although only one person tried, once).
Edit: if this were the 1970s or earlier, when you could pay for college classes from waiting tables or a $10,000 loan (inflation adjusted!), I'd absolutely say go for it. But taking out even $50,000 in debt at age 18 for anything less than a guaranteed job with a good income (physician assistant, nursing, accounting) is mortgaging your future. Taking out $200,000, which is the going rate for most [edit: should read "many, private", and is probably closer to $100,000] liberal arts 4-year-degrees, is insanity, but between culture BS about degrees and "academic counselors", I know it may not seem that way to you right now.
Edit: I saw your edit, and again, thank you for your input. I would just like to note that I'll be graduating with ~12k in debt - I went to a community college first while living with my parents and transferred to a UC, and California's higher education system supports low-income, first generation households fairly well - to which I owe great gratitude to.
Edit: just saw your edit reply to above edit :) that is much more reasonable than the situation that I put myself into. Still, I would recommend doing everything you can to avoid the debt. Paying back 1000's of dollars is a large burden.
I had the option of an income based repayment plan too, so if I wanted to take a low paying jobs my monthly payment would have just dropped.
The only reason it would have been a burden was if I felt like I had to pay it off in 4 years.
So it's sounds like you're OK, or at least not financially ruined. Payments on $12,000 will be manageable.
I'm mostly talking about the folks taking out $50-200,000 in loans for an undergrad degree with some random major (with the upper end of that scale obviously being much worse than the lower end).
That's a false dichotomy that will be difficult to fully adhere to when you spend your next decades as an adult. Yes, perspective matters; a LOT. But "what is" and "what was" can matter a lot too. Imagining that you can just think your way out of hard spots can lead to complacency about the choices that you make. Keeping a positive perspective can involve an enormous amount of mental effort that may have been mitigated by better choices.
Also, my only remaining loans are from me going back and doing a "professional" degree that proved to be fairly useless. I had thought I did my research but failed to crunch the numbers carefully enough or account for future family decisions (most employment opportunities in the field required extended foreign residence/travel). So I sympathize with taking out loans for a "responsible" degree and still coming out financially screwed.
>Taking out $200,000, which is the going rate for most liberal arts 4-year-degrees
The average student loan balance is $29,800 upon graduation. https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/20/how-much-the-average-student...
1) Tons of scholarships, and
2) Non-liberal arts colleges (technical schools, professional schools, the scam schools advertised on TV, etc).
I also was thinking (although failed to specify) private liberal arts colleges. I stand by that figure. If you're taking out loans for a private liberal arts degree, it'll be over $100,000 and many will exceed $200,000.
Edit: Just read that it's supposedly $32,000 in loans for private 4-year degrees. I'm very skeptical of that Federal Reserve figure, since average tuition only for private 4-year degrees is somewhere around $35,000 per year. The Fed also has incentives to find ways to underplay this figure, just like they undercount unemployment. So I'm highly skeptical.
College Board estimates $14,610 per year is what students actually pay for tuition only. If you don't have wealthy or upper-middle-class parents, then you'll need to tack on living expenses and books. If you're not wealthy or upper-middle class, you'll take most of that out in loans, which will be well over $100,000 by graduation.
I know numerous students who have recently graduated with over $100,000 in loans from private 4-year colleges (no, not me, I graduated over 10 years ago, and all of my remaining loans are from a professional master's degree). I know several underemployed lawyers who have well over $200,000 in school loans that they'll likely never pay off.
31% of students graduate with zero debt, that does not mean their tuition was free. Those balances also exclude loans taken out by parents to pay for collage.
The simple reality is collage class are incredibly shallow introductions to the subject matter and hardly worth the price of admission. That’s somewhat offset by credentials, but your comparison is high school which says more about how bad high school is than how great collage is.
No joke, at one point I tutoring my friends in some classes I had not taken. Your professors may have a deep understanding of the subject, but they need to dumb the material down so people can pick it up over ~15 weeks.
Analytic philosophy is very STEMish. Majoring in the logically rigorous courses sets you up for many monied disciplines (besides programming). Even better if you can minor in something like coding, accounting, or even a trade.
Doing ROTC can get you a scholarship, guaranteed job out of college, many opportunities beyond, and serving in the military is in itself a worthwhile endeavor.