>will hold a grudge... you's swear they were part Irish
There's no need for this.
There's no need for this.
A funny aside is always welcome in an otherwise substantial comment, and no, this is not considered racism or offending by 99% of Earth's population, including most Irish.
It's only "racism" in the provincial US preoccupation that "everything said that touches on a population/ethnicity/race is racism". Not in the "X are inferior/KKK/etc" sense, which is what we should be concerned with.
I, for one, don't appreciate taking lessons about how a joke is racist from people from a country that had slavery until the 19th century, segregation since the 1970s, and widespread systemic/popular/law enforcement racism problems today. As if their experience is the universal standard that should be applied to the global population here on the internet. That's, if not racist, surely imposing upon others...
Racism is often considered antagonism based on race or ethnicity. The terms are very closely linked, though it may have been better for me to say "ethnicity."
>Not in the "X are inferior/KKK/etc" sense, which is what we should be concerned with
So what grudges do you think the Irish held leading to this stereotype?
I don't get the rest of your argument. It seems to be "my country doesn't have a problem with racism so racist comments are fine."
It's more "A culture that has historically had heavy racism problems should not export their overcompensating hysteria that everything touching on ethnicity/race is racism and consider its own preoccupations universally applicable".
>So what grudges do you think the Irish held leading to this stereotype?
Why not ask the Irish themselves?
https://www.irishcentral.com/opinion/cahirodoherty/why-irish...
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/nurturing-a-grudge-1.315764
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/50-year-itch-epic-grudge...
Or on a funny note:
https://lovin.ie/news/feature/18-petty-things-that-irish-peo...
I'm curious where you're from that you think doesn't have a similar history, but it still boils down to "if you don't have a racism problem it's not actually racist." I don't get that logic, you can argue it's not harmful but it's still racism.
>Why not ask the Irish themselves?
I find it strange that all the Irish you are asking are speaking English, but the Irish Times hits why this is offensive.
>Well, Brian, the record so far is a whopping 800 years: this being the period, rounded down to the nearest century, for which we claim to have been oppressed by the English.
Everything else listed is fairly standard, and you could make similar articles for any ethnicity.
Note that I never said "If a place doesn't have a racism problem then them doing racist acts is OK / it's not racist".
My argument is "Places with heavy racist history tend to look at all kind of non-racist acts as racist, either from guilt or to overcompensate, and then try to force their hyper-sensitivity on others".
Instead of getting sensitive about stereotypes like "Irish can hold a grudge", "the Italians like pasta", "Scots are tightwads", "Germans have no humor", "Greeks are fiscally irresponsible", "Asians do everything better" or whatever as "racism", better act on actual racism, like systemic racism, redlining, over-representation of blacks in what's the biggest prison population in the world, racist cop shootings, college admissions, under-funded districts, WASP domination, etc.
Even if this is true, that was a racist statement for the reasons I originally outlined. That doesn't change if Irish say it, and it is of the "x are inferior sense" you mention. That's what has me confused,
>Instead of... act on...
So I should better prioritise the racism I address in my country, ignoring smaller examples until I can fix major ones? I tend to just address the ones I encounter, though I think understanding that past treatment can still cause current problems we need to address is an important message.
So, in the same sense that preferring to have sex with women (or men) is "sexism" since "Sexism is prejudice or discrimination based on a person's sex or gender."
Just not the kind of sexism that e.g. Weinstein peddled.
Just because we call what a bigot or KKK member does racism and making a comment that touches on ethnicity or race "racism" doesn't mean those are the same things, or that both are bad.
You're of course entirely welcome to keep your speech pure, but know that there's a full grayscale here and we all have different tolerances.
I'm Irish and I don't really get it. The statement sounded pretty ignorant and typically American.
(I wonder if people will spot the irony).
How's about we allow a little local flavor while people tell their stories?
>PS: Davis CA has zillions of crows
I realise now that I very badly misunderstood the article :)
Meanwhile: Why Irish grudges are passed on - a long tradition of never forgetting https://www.irishcentral.com/opinion/cahirodoherty/why-irish...
I am Irish and live in Ireland.