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Article misses out that in all but the smallest/tightest parking lots (which I guess are more common in tighter downtown areas), gas stations typically have additional parking already that could also be converted to charging stations. Article also brings up the specter of extra carbon emissions for extra charging infrastructure, but doesn't provide even a basic analysis.

There are certainly some logistical issues that electrical has to work out. But this is straight up a fear piece. Yes, gas is transportable by hand if required, but I bet most North American drivers (or at least urban ones which this piece is targetting) just go with roadside assistance anyways, so the charger will come to them.

And finally, with the potential of charging at home/work (which I know can't include everyone... but I think can cover a reasonable percentage of people), you don't NEED to charge up even to 80% all the time. Needing a full charge all the time is a hold over of gas mentality and logistics.

The one bit that is reasonable here and noting that our current laws probably need a tune up in recognition of the changing nature of driving.

Treating charging like we treat fuelling is the problem. The reason we have gas stations is because we have to store and dispense the fuel safely. We don't have a safe, effective system to transport gasoline to all of our homes and offices. Natural gas cars would be one option, with "pumps" at our homes to fill up our cars, but gasoline is always going to be in underground tanks at a filling station.

Electricity is easily and safely delivered to our homes and offices and indeed, most EV owners probably do the majority of their charging at their own homes.

The issue of EV charging is actually tied to the range of the cars. If you get the range to where a car can be driven longer than the driver can safely drive (say 16-18 hours) then the time spent charging is basically moot...you can charge while the driver sleeps. Hotels become a logical spot for chargers.

most EV owners probably do the majority of their charging at their own homes

Owning a house is pretty much a prerequisite of electric cars for personal use in the US. 100 million Americans live in rental housing. https://www.citylab.com/life/2018/08/who-rents-their-home-he...

In cold areas, every rental unit's parking spot comes with a power outlet so that you can plug in your car's block heater. So it's possible.

My understanding is that the typical block heater might draw about 750-800 watts (call it 7 amps @ 120 volts in the US), which would charge one of the most efficient EVs out there (the Tesla Model 3) at about 3 miles of range per hour. So, if you parked your car for the whole night, you'd add about 30-35 miles of range. Other EVs are even less efficient.

I think it's a different sort of effort to wire every parking spot with, say, a 40 amp, 240 volt circuit to enable moderately fast charging.

Thats probably fine for most people, for regular day-to-day commuting and things like that. A decent battery would give you a buffer in case you forget to plug your car in, or you need to do a lot more driving for a few days.

Mind you, some small part in me is sad at the idea of yet another device around my home that I have to remember to charge each night.

And I would expect that as EVs become more popular, chargers will start being something tenants will ask about. This will in turn put pressure on landlords who want wealthy tenants to wire up their garages for faster charging. We've done the same thing before with heating, washer/driers and internet over the last few decades.

It's not that much harder to pull 8 gauge wire instead of 12 gauge.

I've lived in all types of rental housing across Michigan, and have never seen this. I don't think it covers even a small fraction of that 100 million.

I'm talking about places where -40 is common. And I'm not saying that many of the 100 million have block heater plugs, I'm saying that they could -- the cold places are a proof of viability.

Michigan doesn't get that cold that often (maybe the UP does). Think Minnesota or Finland.

And the point isn't that it already covers 100 million, just that if there's a need (like there is for warming cold engine blocks in winter), it's neither particularly complicated nor expensive to provide this kind of overnight trickle charging.

I have to second this. I have lived in MN and MI for most of my life and plugs outside are not at all common.

Another possibility is that the changeover from incandescent to LED bulbs in streetlights has led to excess circuit capacity that is usable for curbside car chargers at the light pole.

I think being able to charge at home or work is probably a more accurate statement.

that said, there have beens steps to help renters:

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySectio...

My apartment building has a charger in the parking lot. Is it that weird to imagine that eventually chargers will become common?

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