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Why isn't there an international condemnation from governments despite of UN raising concerns, journalists tracking satellite images, tourist videos, leaked CCP papers on the protocols, etc?

What is stopping governments from strongly condemning and taking action against a modern take on Nazi fascism? 1.1 Million CCP members are staying inside of Uigher homes while their husbands are attending camps. I don't doubt if there are hundreds of thousands of rape incidents in the name of cleansing the genetic makeup of Uighers (and now Tibetians).

This is not acceptable in 2019. Fuck the CCP. We have funded this state - stop now and push back.

It is year 2025 - and we will look back 5 years and say to ourselves, "Why did the world let this atrocity happen?". It is year 2030 - 7 million Hong Kong people are imprisoned in the same camps, along with Taiwanese population. Africa is fully funded and operationally dependent on the Chinese government, AI + modern weaponry is miles ahead of anything US/EU/APEC can come up with. Our online fingerprints remain. My instagram post protesting against this in 2019 has lead me to a prison in Sri Lanka (run by the CCP), I am posting this from a hacked forum login that I found...help. I need help.

You would expect at least Israel to stand up and say something. All this talk of “never again” and “there was no one left to speak out for me” is starting to ring hollow.

Why would you expect Israel to care about Muslims? Have you heard of Palestine? Israel has been doing, what China is now doing to uighurs, to Palestinians for decades.

Palestinians and Muslims are distinct groups.

I'm aware. I gave an example of Israel's treatment towards some Muslims. You didn't answer the question: why would you expect Israel to care about Muslims elsewhere?

Vote with your wallet. Don't buy Chinese goods.

That would work about as well as sanctions.

Did Cuba change? No.

Did North Korea change? No. Did North Koreans starve? Yes.

Did Iran change? No, and recent rumblings aren't related.

Did Syria change? No.

Did South Africa change? Not because of sanctions or boycotts, but because the severe/unjust racism was no longer bearable.

Did Venezuela change? No.

Do I need to list more?

"Quick fix," cancel culture, collective punishment doesn't change policy, it exacts a toll on innocent bystanders who have little or no power to change anything.

What, historically, has worked reliably? Invasion?

Sanctions are about the best tool that exists as far as I can see. There are some things to do with targeting money held overseas, or espionage, but i'm sure those options are already in full force by the time sanctions roll around.

It's pretty new, so not historical, but I'm interested to see how the Magnitsky Act could be applied in situations like this. It targets the wealthy ruling classes by seizing the assets they keep abroad. I'm not sure if it would be more effective, but at least the pain is felt by those in charge and not the general populace.

Sanctions don't affect the leadership, they starve the people. Palestine, Cuba, Iraq, Iran, Yemen, North Korea and many others... admit the truth: it's. hardly-ever. works. It only "feels" like a solution, but it's purely an idealistic panacea based on diffuse, passive-aggressive, starvation-causing harm.

The problem and solution comes by first asking "what's worked and at what cost?"

Monroe doctrine has been the over-arching ideology: US corporate interests > everyone else's. That's the problem: trying to control other countries and steal their resources, rather than dealing with other countries as equals by mutual-respect of sovereignties.

---- "Successes" (but failures in diplomatic and popularity terms) ----

- invasion (see: Smedley Butler's War is a Racket )

- genocide

- death squads trained by SoA

- arms trafficking in exchange for cocaine

- illegally sending arms to right-wing death squads

- CIA-backed coups, overt and covert

---- Failed ----

- US plutocrats' media-fought coup attempt recently Venezuela

A solution to what exactly? There are so many layers of politics to unravel in China it boggles the mind. Do you target the ruling class? Communist philosophy? Xenophobia? Each has a distinct solution that is extremely hard to execute and takes immense effort and economic dedication over decades or centuries. Hence the urge to advocate for short term "doing something" solutions that have no effect and require no sacrifice on our part.

The only real solution to this is to offer to take Chinese untouchables currently being purged into the US as exiles and then offer incentives to Chinese elite to get them to agree to this. At which point the US would be sacrificing significant resources to import hundreds of thousands pissed off, destitute, Tibetan Muslims. Political will for such a solution is nil. Similar to the Nazi holocaust actually...

Really I would say any diploatic feud or human rights abuses that we'd rather wasn't happening with another country that can't be solved with negotiation

What you are asking for is a method to FORCE a country to change its core beliefs in order to stop them from engaging in what we objectively perceive as evil on their part. The only short term (less than a century) and effective method is military force.

It is nearly impossible to change someone's core beliefs. There is a saying that progress comes one funeral at a time. To make progress go faster the solution is a LOT of funerals. China subscribes to this philosophy and is engaging in such a solution. The question is, do we really want to be pulled into that madness?

We can disengage from them economically but would that be a good idea? The reason why we've invested so much in economic relations with China is to ensure that we don't HAVE to go to war with them.

Our economic interdependence allows us to have some leverage to slow down China from engaging in Manifest Destiny style conquering of Korea, Japan, and most of the south pacific.

The long term solution is to change their culture by injecting our own into their younger generations and waiting for them to replace their ossified elders. Right now we're doing a pretty good job of that but China is fighting back pretty hard.

Follow the money.

No one in power is going to allow anything politically to risk their bottom line.

Same reason we don't sanction the Saudis - we want (and have built our economy around) what they're selling.

The main issue is that much of the global mainstream media and politicians have been co-opted by the CCP through bribes and blackmail. Due to this, your average citizen is largely unaware of the threats posed by the CCP regime. This has been made worse by the ever-increasing influence operations that have people thinking that Communist China is the poster-child of successful modern governance.

Fear? Nukes are my first guess.

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