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This is looking really nice. I'm a bit sad that Godot crashes on my kids' MacBook Air (apparently there's a bug in the URL filtering subsystem that takes down the entire OS when Godot tries to reach its library - see https://github.com/godotengine/godot/issues/24890 for details)

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Apparently they fixed a UAF there in the last release of macOS, then introduced a double free in the same file in the next release.... and they still haven't fixed that either.

Apple are negligent, and they hope their customers are stupid or loyal enough to think they're doing their best.

Latest iOS and iPad OS are the buggiest of any operating systems I’ve ever used...

I guess you weren’t around in the 90s. I recall the times when a single application bug would bring down the entire operating system, forcing a reboot. Ahhh, those were the days!

Those days are today again, that's exactly what the root commenter describes.

That’s news to me! I haven’t had an operating system crash (kernel panic) in 2 years, and I think that was caused by a sharp bump sustained by my laptop when taking it out of my bag, not a bug.

Weirdly, iOS has been pretty smooth for me (despite a one or two embarrassing bugs, like Smart Invert barely working for long), whereas the state of Catalina on release is a cause of concern..

I exaggerated, for sure, but I have been encountering a ton of bugs. Off the top of my head, cropping screenshots often doesn't actually crop them (I have to do it from the photo gallery instead), on iPad OS, the dock icons for open but backgrounded apps often stops working, I've had apps crash (especially Safari), generally buttons and things not working. Stuff like that.

I haven't actually used catalina, so can't compare.

They also seem to not care about extreme monolithic coupling in their operating systems. I can't tell you how ridiculous it seems to me that I've been able to crash iOS during WebGL development (for as long as it's been supported), setting aside the general misbehaviour of their drivers. It is extremely silly, they clearly do not gain any performance from this coupling: The component that Godot triggers a bug in, IPC, is extremely slow on Darwin, when compared with basically any competing OS.

I get the impression that Apple only does manual integration tests, only on mainstream features, and then they cross their fingers that other users don't have such a bad experience that they lose a customer.

When my new company starts developing an iOS application, I think we'll spend as little time on macOS and XCode as possible; try to build and test our core on Linux like we do for everything else.

That's kind of terrifying. It's hard to understand how that could be possible in a modern OS.

Apple’s code quality is way down. The OS has become more complex and distributed due to ambitious projects like userspace drivers and the separate “T” CPU that manages Touch Bar and security functions; yet they don’t seem to invest in stability versus churning out a release every autumn, damn the bugs and torpedoes.

For me, Mojave on a 2017 15” MBP crashes hard about once a week. I remember Windows 98 being roughly as stable. It’s immensely disappointing.

>For me, Mojave on a 2017 15” MBP crashes hard about once a week.

That's insane. Think I've seen one crash on my windows machines this year

My father in laws windows laptop doesn’t crash, but slows down so much it’s unusable every windows update. He gave me his laptop to fix it recently and it took 6 hours to get the update through before it sped up again. We’re buying him a used MacBook now

My Windows PC at work didn't have a working start menu and task bar for about 3 weeks. Since the newest update I can at least use them now but search is still broken.

It's a known bug and the only workaround right now is to re-enable Bing search in the start menu which I cannot do due to company policy.

Windows is just as bad.

FWIW I'm also running Mojave on a 2017 15" MBP and I can't remember the last time it's crashed. It's probably been months since I even restarted it.

If you use all 3 desktop OS, it doesn't take very long to notice macOS has the worst code quality.

About 20 coworkers use Windows 10.

Only one crash in 2 years.

same with Ubuntu, it's rock solid

For me, Apple in 2019 is a has been.

It's still not stable. I see lot of lagging when I click the online Godot asset library and the Editor itself goes to Not Working state when I tried to close it.

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