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Hong Kong nationalism is not pro-democracy. The Chinese Government supports holding elections for local government officials, including in Hong Kong. Given that, the anti-Chinese attitudes we're seeing there are quite unproductive.

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Elections? There hasn't been a democratic election in China since 1912.

Hong Kong is part of China. Under the "One Country Two Systems" model, it has more 'experimental' and 'innovative' policies than the rest of the country (such as choosing their local government officials via democratic elections). But then again so does Shenzhen in other ways.

Hong Kong has never had democratic elections. It has elections but they are non-democratic, as the “functional consistencies” system rigs them in one side’s favor.

“One country, two systems” refers to Hong Kong’s separate economic and legal system, not to democracy.

"Rigs" is quite overstated. The system is quite transparent, and other countries have similar systems and yet we do not call them undemocratic. Such as the U.S., with the electoral college for presidential elections.

The imbalances induced by the electoral college are orders of magnitude smaller than those of the functional constituency system.

Thank being said, I think the electoral college should go, too.

Replying to myself as I can no longer edit: “consistencies” was a typo (or maybe a think-o) for “constituencies”

Democracy as supported and implemented by the PRC is a sick joke.

The 1989 Tiananmen Square protests, commonly known in mainland China as the June Fourth Incident (Chinese: 六四事件, liùsì shìjiàn), were student-led demonstrations in Beijing (the capital of the People's Republic of China) for the establishment of basic human and press rights and against the Communist-led Chinese government in mid-1989. More broadly, it refers to the popular national movement inspired by the Beijing protests during that period, sometimes called the '89 Democracy Movement (Chinese: 八九民运, bājiǔ mínyùn). The protests were forcibly suppressed after Chinese Premier Li Peng declared martial law. In what became known as the Tiananmen Square Massacre, troops with assault rifles and tanks fired at the demonstrators trying to block the military's advance towards Tiananmen Square. The number of civilian deaths was internally estimated by the Chinese government to be near or above 10,000.

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