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I'm fascinated by the idea that someone could have killed and successfully covered up a murder this high profile.

How do you handle the guards? How do you keep the other inmates quiet? Can you get away with bribing a single guard or is a larger operation needed? If you bribe people, how do you get the money to them? How do you keep them quiet when the inevitable investigation happens?

I don't think it's impossible, but if this was a murder then it's fascinating that someone could be this good at assassination.

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So it's in the "quite difficult, but not impossible" category. The question then is, who would want him dead that badly, and have the resources to carry it out? Given the circles he ran in and the dirt he might have had on people, a surprising number of people might have had both the means and the motive.

Mind you, I'm not saying that it was murder. I'm just saying that the degree of difficulty isn't as big a barrier as it would seem.

It's likely Epstein was tied up with CIA. Once they enter the picture, everything's fair game.

https://observer.com/2019/07/jeffrey-epstein-spy-intelligenc...

Robert Maxwell has been accused of being a Mossad agent. Ghislaine Maxwell was the daughter of Robert Maxwell. Upon his death, six serving and former heads of Israeli intelligence services attended his funeral in Israel, while Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir eulogized him and stated: “He has done more for Israel than can today be said." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Maxwell

Wexner (who gave Epstein his initial fortune) is also suspected to be Mossad:

https://www.mintpressnews.com/mega-group-maxwells-mossad-spy...

I think some intelligence agency (even money CIA or Mossad) was using Epstein's tapes of powerful people engaged in pedophilia as kompromat to blackmail powerful men into being subservient to their interests.

Was? Still are would be the better conclusion. Fair bet that many elected officials on both sides are still compromised by this.

Maybe not. From this article, "...it probably wasn’t American intelligence, either."

Why would a CIA agent do blackmail against American and western targets? That's not how it works.

If Epstein was killed, it's quite possible he was killed by US counter intelligence.

Honestly this seems the only reasonable explanation considering how long it was known he was doing what he was doing.

I would think anyone privy to the situation would be handled the same way, by threat of death to them or loved ones. Maybe a little cash to ease the mental burden.

I'd like to think I could withstand such a threat like a fictional hero, but I have my doubts. I hope to never know for sure.

I do happen to know that for me to ignore murder took nothing more than the implied threat that I would be murdered myself by the team doing the murder. I learned my lesson; getting away with murder is not hard for people that are good at it.

Wow. That's quite the comment. Especially from someone easily traced. Are you sure you want to leave this up?

A fictional hero usually has a motivation to withstand the threat, the show usually works hard to setup the motivation.

I doubt most people, or heroes, withstand the threat when they don't actually care. Do you personally care if Epstein is alive or dead?

> I'm fascinated by the idea that someone could have killed and successfully covered up a murder this high profile.

What reasons could there be to cover up non high profile murders? High profile is where all the covering up happens.

The inmates talked. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeffrey-epstein-death-shrieking...

If there was a conspiracy involving the guards, it involved at least two of them. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/13/nyregion/jeffrey-epstein-... (Non-paywalled summary https://thehill.com/homenews/457346-epstein-guards-fell-asle... )

A relatively small amount of people would need to be persuaded/bribed. And how does the perpetrating party keep them quiet? Well, they just demonstrated that they have the desire and ability to kill someone and get away with it.

Especially easy to get people to comply given that the general societal consensus is that pedophiles deserve death without due process, regardless of their proscribed legal punishment.

Bribe the two guards with cash. Threaten to kill them and their families if they talk. It's pretty straightforward. Most people think that they are good people and would do the right thing in this situation, even though most people have no reason whatsoever to believe that they would act morally right if it became a serious sacrifice.

>Most people think that they are good people and would do the right thing in this situation,

Nope, straight up, some people come up to me, bribe me and threaten me or my family so they can kill a pedophile and I wouldn't hesitate for a second. I'd hand them the keys and walk away.

I think it's good that you admit this. You're less likely to put yourself in a situation where you could do bad things.

I’m not the parent commenter, but even this seems less straightforward than you’re making out.

For example, how do you know which guards are assigned to Epstein’s cell, and how do you get in contact with them? Is it only one guard, or are there several in rotation? Where do you get this information? Once they accept your bribe, how do you get the money to them?

I’m just thinking about the logistics of the situation. Surely someone who can do all of this stuff would be considered skilful.

> Surely someone who can do all of this stuff would be considered skilful.

Or merely someone who guards report to.

Someone with a background in national intelligence would be very proficient at doing all of this.

It's a little early to call the cover-up "successful." The fact that Baden is on nationwide news media questioning the official suicide narrative probably means a few loose threads haven't been snipped yet.

>How do you handle the guards? How do you keep the other inmates quiet?

i think it is much easier task than what happened in Florida in 2008 and the years after when the federal and the state prosecutors and the FBI and the judges all were basically working on the Epstein side to make sure that the slam dunk serial pedophile charges would get nowhere. You can't directly buy that with money. That was done by some large power and influence from behind the scene (influential enough to make all those participants to accept the obviously fake CIA cover as a way out). Couple prison guards and non-working cameras is just a minor thing for such power and influence.

Perhaps the machinery was already long corrupt, and so being in prison means being close to someone's grasp at all times.

Remember what Hilter said before?

No, I don't. Could you be more specific, rather than just hinting?

My guess is that he is referring to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie

The expression was coined by Adolf Hitler, when he dictated his 1925 book Mein Kampf, about the use of a lie so "colossal" that no one would believe that someone "could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously".

Money. Money. Yes. Walk up and hand it to them. Money.

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