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> So hopefully this cheat will be VAC / PB undetected for ever

yeah... until they patch it

As for VAC, it can’t even detect spinbotters. Given its track record I‘m certain there won’t be any patch whatsoever.

Are you sure VAC doesn’t detect spin botters? Valve has implemented neural net based cheat detection trained from overwatch cases (players watching demos of reported players and judging if they were cheating). It’s a rather nice solution and doesn’t involve kernel mode drivers from a third party I don’t trust to make secure kernel mode drivers (a la battle eye or punk buster).

https://youtu.be/ObhK8lUfIlc

I still get to see them play full games when I do overwatch myself. This should be a round 1 kick, instead they waste everyone’s time and ruin their experience. Same goes for obvious wall- and aimhacks. I see non obvious cheaters every 2nd game or so (players following but not tracing you through walls or soft aimlocks for example). VAC doesn’t do any process analysis as far as I know and as such, it will only ever be able to ban players after the fact (if it does even that, because „legit“ hacks will almost always pass due to overwatches high consensus requirements)

I think overwatch is just there for confirmation in most cases. That makes sense imho.

FWIW I tend to only see cheaters on casual. The TrustFactor thing seems to work fairly well, because (judging by Overwatch) the cheaters seem to be among their likes. It must suck for new (non-prime) accounts, though.

It does. My brother started playing recently and the matches I’s play with him were abysmal. Toxic players, bad communication, no organization, and cheaters relatively often. I bought him the game and it is indeed night and day. I personally just saw my first hacker in a prime lobby in the 300 hours I’ve played since prime became a thing.

Yikes, I really don't want an effective random number generator deciding whether or not if I get to keep using the product I payed for. Refuting a cheat-accusation/action is pretty much impossible as is.

AFAIK, the ML piece only selects candidates to review for cheating. The overwatch volunteer(s) still need to watch your demo and judge if you're cheating.

I haven't seen a spinbotter for ~4 years, I have 500+ hours on CSGO, average 2 games a week. I think VAC is catching them. But it's also possible people don't rage-hack anymore, and prefer the self delusion of stealthy hacks.

I recall they also put cheaters together with cheaters, or rather accounts of high quality (no cheating, bought many games, older accs, etc) together.

Apex Legends wants to do that at least. I think it's a pretty clever idea.

https://kotaku.com/apex-legends-will-make-cheaters-play-agai...

Yep. Its called trust factor

It's very expensive to rage hack, mostly due to account age and phone number requirements. Sure, you can buy an account or play for 20 hours to get in good standings, in matchmaking - but VAC will evaporate you in a single match.

They troll F2P and lower ranks very effectively.

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