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It's too fragmented for that to really be a first class concern. "Christian" is a broad class that encompasses LDS, Jehovah's Witnesses, Presbyterian, Baptist, Catholic, etc. We have no shortage of controversy and conflict to debate about.

On this particular topic, I'd be more interested in the Italian opinion.

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Um not sure about all of those being "technically" "Christian"

Curious why you think that. From my POV, they are all very "Christian".

From the perspective of any Protestant or Catholic, LDS and Jehovah’s Witness are not Christian churches.

In general, outside of their circles, those two are considered heretical cults.

Protestants and Catholics generally disagree on many doctrinal things, but they agree on that.

Why Italian?

Because they have the most influence on things "Christian" and the best historical material.

The Vatican probably?

so, uh, I thought the kjv was... not recognized as valid by the catholic church? Like, the KJV was authorized by the church of England, a, uh, rather different body from the Vatican. I thought a lot of what made the KJV important was that it was early in that split.

I mean, i suppose that the Vatican would probably still have a pretty interesting opinion on it.

It's not that that the KJV is not "valid". It's that it's not recommended over the Catholic version.

The Catholic version contains the "deuterocanonical" books of the Old Testament.

https://bustedhalo.com/ministry-resources/why-doesnt-the-cat...

PS. [mentioned in the article] Apparently the original KJV did include the deuterocanonical books, but they were not considered canon. The Puritans and non-English protestants were the first to omit them entirely.

Another commenter elsewhere in this thread just mentioned the Preface to the KJV, which includes some specific criticism of the Catholic Church (referred to as "our chief adversaries") for (at the time) disapproving of vernacular language editions of the Bible.

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Bible_(King_James)/Preface#%C....

I misunderstood a detail here: this section admits that the Catholic Church sponsored an English translation (the Douay-Rheims Bible) but complains that this translation was itself made in response to pressure from Protestants, and that Catholics were expected to seek permission from church authorities in order to read it. So I probably shouldn't have said "disapproving of" but rather something like "grudgingly permitting" or "restricting access to".

I actually had no idea that the catholic church permitted an english translation so early.

I can tell by your your response that you are not a Christian.

Roman Catholic raised, agnostic. Irish descent and dissolutioned might be more interested in the historical source than the destination.

Similar. Fascinating to me was that some Catholics consider the "Roman" a bit of slur. But to me it was a common, unremarkable description.

Your profile says "greybeard", "skeptic" and "computers" so probably VERY similar backgrounds. Skimming your comments now to confirm :)

Edit: Early, but see Apollo/HP, SunOS/Solaris already. Small world. Any chance of early 1990s Linux, Kermit, Windows packet drivers, KA9Q, Unicos, Mosaic, AT&T 3B2, Pyramid OSX, Usenet, UUCP, C, Perl, TCL, etc?

All those and more. Except for the 3b2. Not much Tcl.

Karnac says you're 54ish and from the Northeast US or Ireland or maybe UK ;)

I suspect not US, which makes the shared experience more interesting, as the world in general wasn't particularly very global at the time, yet we have a remarkably shared experience (I'm EU born, US bred). Yay early (late 80's / early 90's) Internet.

This is one of those rare HN moments that I wish more would notice.

> This is one of those rare HN moments that I wish more would notice.

Sorry to cut in... but I concur. Sometimes you read comment that makes you think 'wow this person is so similar to me!' but it's a single comment in the middle of a thread and that connection ends up being fleeting.

Hacker News' de-emphasis on Users (i.e. no avatars or extensive profile, or direct messaging) is one of its strengths as it forces the focus into the public discussions; but it can also be frustrating when you do stumble over a like minded person.

Personally, I'd like to see a sanctioned way to build on the HN community via other more real-time platforms, which ultimately could lead to proper friendships with real-life meet-ups etc.

Yeah, I'm a dreamer, I know.

What is karnac? A brief websearch was not enlightening.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnac_the_Magnificent

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