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The physical process is gravity as Laplace described it back in the 1700s as a sort of breathing motion. Stars in our vicinity tend to breathe in synch and that is why they are easy to see. Jargon from the past only sounds mystical when present-day jargon loses contact with foundational principles.

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Stars in our vicinity tend to breathe in synch and that is why they are easy to see.

Utter, utter rot. You're vanishing into your own new-age hand-wavy magic word bullshit, creating new nonsense to explain away huge flaws in a hypothesis.

They're easy to see because they're emitting photons that intersect with us.

If atoms in star A and star B are moving in opposition - away and towards one other in a steady-state oscillation - this would cause destructive interference between the emitted photons. No energy will be exchanged and they will be blind to one another.

If the atoms of stars A and C are moving back and forth synchronously in the same direction at the same time, the photons they emit will add constructively and they will see one another.

If you want to, you can make stars A and C stationary and just let star B vibrate. The result is the same.

> If atoms in star A and star B are moving in opposition - away and towards one other in a steady-state oscillation - this would cause destructive interference between the emitted photons. No energy will be exchanged and they will be blind to one another.

Poppycock.

He wanted a quantum explanation in terms of photons, so I gave him one. I liked the original explanation I gave in terms of the speed of light better: "If a vibrating star is always moving towards or away from the detector at greater than the speed of light, you won't see it."

What I like about tired-light is that it is consistent with both quantum and cosmic processes whereas the big-bang people insist that there is a mysterious incompatibility between the two realms (domains if you want to sound technical). I suppose that this isn't surprising because wherever there is a mystery, they can ask for money from politicians. Taxpayers like you and I pay for it.

> I suppose that this isn't surprising because wherever there is a mystery, they can ask for money from politicians. Taxpayers like you and I pay for it.

So it's a conspiracy?

Or a confederacy of dunces. Same difference. The dunsmen of Scotist thought were once famous for their brilliantly labyrinthine, obfuscating logic until the enlightenment started and people began making fun of their pointy hats. This is just how ideas evolve. I think tired-light would bring more clarity and unity to physics as a discipline.

Physicists already acknowledge that the quantum vacuum is not just geometrical space. They'll even write it about it roiling and bubbling. My guess is that it won't be too many years before they realize that there is a spacetime superfluid that is very lightly interacting. Then it is just a logical step to determine what kind of particles are in that superfluid. Maybe tired photons and tired neutrinos eventually lose enough energy that they begin a phase change into another state that doesn't zip around at high speeds. Maybe those low energy particles combine into some other low energy particle (a graviton?). Perhaps the spacetime superfluid temperature is 2.7K black body and is what we erroneously detect as the CMB from a big bang that didn't happen. If you follow this thought process, the idea that photons could very occasionally lose some energy harmonics to particles in the superfluid is entirely sensible. This would cause a very slow redshift. The observable universe would be limited by the distance a high energy photon could travel before losing so much energy it joined the superfluid. The fields of physics and cosmology need creativity and to start thinking on new ideas, like this or others, because it is very clear that they are on the incorrect track at the moment.

> Stars in our vicinity tend to breathe in synch and that is why they are easy to see.

I appreciate your effort, but this is not science in any way. Changing the jargon won't help that.

You're right that this language is not precise enough. Where you put the clocks matters a lot. What is synchronous to one person is asynchronous to another.

Precisely explaining this nonsense won't help.

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