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> Catchphrases from the book have not entered the language.

The spice must flow?

Fear is the mind killer?

Christopher Walken dancing to Fatboy Slim's "Weapon of Choice" includes the phrase "Walk without a rhythm, you won't attract the worm". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCDIYvFmgW8

Maybe to a lesser extent, "He who controls the spice controls the universe", "wheels within wheels", and the gom jabbar are all things I've heard people reference.

It's definitely entered the language. Maybe not as deeply as Star Wars, but it's not absent either.

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"Fear is the mindkiller" may be super memorable, but the end of the litany (paraphrased): "I will let it pass through me and over me and when it is gone I will look where has been and there only I will remain" - well, applies to just about anything with great success.

Practicing this once saved my life while scuba diving. I was stuck in a cave and I began to panic and hyperventilate.

Having delt with other high stress situations and remembering this full quote prepared me.

Being able to identify my emotion in a high stress moment and knowing that the fear would pass is what calmed me down and think my way out of my problem.

It's not enough to remember the words. You also need to practice.

Care to tell what happened? I am intrigued (and horrified). The idea of being stuck in an underwater cave is the stuff of nightmares.

"Wheels within wheels" is a biblical reference.

https://biblehub.com/ezekiel/1-16.htm

Edit: It comes up in country songs sometimes, e.g. https://youtu.be/g6a9sYiBtlM?t=539

And here! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_VsfvRaF5s

That’s probably where Herbert got the quote. He studied a lot of mythos to write the books.

Dune is old enough to have deeper connections than just catch phrases. It spawned RTS games via the Dune 2 game based on the movie. RTS games then which spawned Moba's like League of Legends via Warcraft III (Defense of the Ancients).

Though as you say “Fear is the mind killer” shows up all over the place.

Folks forget about Dune 1 too.

In 1992, it was one of the first "modern" 4X games (SimCity 1989, Civilization 1991). Even given shorter game development timelines, it deserves more credit than it gets.

Dune 1 is one my favourite games. I still pull it up once every few years and play it out. Beautifully made.

The Space Opera soundtrack by Exxos is also epic!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WZQbJlLkDg

I didn't know the whole internal war about its development. If you check the sibling comment, it's a really interesting story!

Lots of good history/backstory to the Dune game developments here:

https://www.filfre.net/tag/dune/

These phrases are probably much more popular among the Hacker News reading crowd than the broader culture, I would bet.

I've heard fear is the mind killer used in the skiing in rock climbing scene. It's used as to encourage someone that is nervous about skiing a narrow/steep couloir or climbing a route at their physical limit. That crowd is very bookwormish too.

I would bet you were wrong. These are common memetic phrases and probably exist in the Simpsons. S.F is normal and everyone knows the film. Sting in a metal bikini

I think there was some kind of law that every third psytrance record needed to sample a line from Dune.

This is my favourite film so I'm pretty tuned in to these phrases, and I've never heard anyone use any of them. I'm also pretty sure there's no "wheels within wheels" in it.

Dune is a book. The movie is just a horrible adaptation of that book.

Ah, sorry. I'd somehow got it into my head that we were specifically talking about the movie.

I do love the book too. But the movie is better.

You should listen to the audio book of it. I've read the entire series, seen the movie and mini-series and listened to the audio-books... and the audio-book is by far the best. They are the voice acting type, with multiple readers for the different voices and they do a wonderful job. Just talking about it makes me want to listen to it again, such a good rendition.

That's a good call. I have listened to it a couple of times and it is indeed very good. To any Dune fans who are not normally audiobook listeners I would say it would make an excellent use of a free Audible trial.

That is the first time I've seen anyone even suggest that. The movie has some memorable qualities, but hardly compares to the book's greatness.

>I do love the book too. But the movie is better.

there must be other people who believe that, but I've never met any of them.

One more, here.

and another one

My dad also liked the movie and I’ve tried to be relatable to people his age, only to notice that I missed 1980s newsgroups and conventions where people dissed the movie adaptation.

maybe I’ll read the book.

better in what ways? Even Lynch does not want to say he was attached to the movie after it came out.

I'd like to know, too. I can speculate about people being turned off by the shifting POV, heavy internal thoughts, and dry style of it. But I'd rather here it straight from the horse's mouth.

That was only the horrible TV cut, his name is still attached to the theatrical version.

The author of the article is not very knowledgeable about dune it seems. Dune has quite the fan base it just never had a good commercial success in movies and TV to become mainstream.

I have a tattoo that says Fear is the mind killer because of Dune. But I'm a huge scifi fan and consider stuff like Revelation Space much better than any star wars or treks.

> Fear is the mind killer?

"Fear is the mind-killer," whispers Paul Atreides. "So is this movie," groaned the critics.

https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/03/th...

There are some fan edits that improve the movie dramatically. My preference is "Alternative Edition Redux". It used to be available archive.org, though I'm sure it's still floating around the net somewhere.

That was the version that combined the original theatrical release version, the director's cut, and a bunch of other scenes that were cut out.

There's one scene that they put back in, toward the end, where Thufir Hawat pulls out his own heart plug; very emotional scene that IMO they should've kept in the original.

Maybe this is a case of false memory, but I am sure I have seen this scene before in a TV cut of the movie.

Don't forget: "The sleeper must awaken!"

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