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Even Java? Java's tooling is top notch.

IDE is awesome. Debugging tools are rawsome. Build tools can be... Well you've got choices. Workspace setup is easy

Ive spent a good part of my 20+ year career wrangling c++ dependencies, and it's hard. MS has introduced vcpkg, which should make things better, closer to a pip or npm style package manner, but I haven't used it, so I have no idea how well it works.

I stick to Debian/Ubuntu Linux. Its package manager is essentially the package manager for C++ from the beginning.

> ...wrangling c++ dependencies

Yep, I think this is my main gripe with C++ on Windows right now. vcpkg is meant to work with CMake or Visual Studio, but you still have to manually tell it where your toolchain file is - which means it's additional work for the rest of your team. In Visual Studio, it's seamless.

On Windows, it's gotten to the point where I try to build dependencies as part of the build chain and hope the tooling is smart enough to not rebuild them a million times. Would be really nice if Windows 10X (or whatever) could come with a package manager or integrate vcpkg.

Agreed that Java tooling is amazing. The only reason I said "even Java" here was the fact that you have to choose a build system from a handful of fairly popular options, which adds some up-front cognitive overhead to your project vs. Go or Rust.

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