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“Russia tried, succeeded, and continues to do it to the US“?

Source? Which computer system did they break into, and how is it attributed to the Russian government?

Every time in the past when someone says this to me or I search for it online, the “hack” is that US citizens voted for Donald Trump.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_...

Doesn’t show any convincing evidence of hacking into election systems, or what the result of the hack was. At best I can see that people suspect WikiLeaks is connected to Russian intelligence and that the Hillary email leak originated with them, but there’s little evidence to support that. Besides, that’s not hacking any computer systems related to the election.

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This is well known.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/25/us/politics/russian-hacki...

Were any details on the mechanisms they used released? The article is paywalled for me, but any article I've read only states that it was "concluded". Like, what attack vector did they use, do all states use common voting machines?

EDIT: Was able to read it, and they don't even suggest any evidence. As usual, we have to take it on faith. Sorry, my faith cup has runneth out.

As usual, lots of downvotes, but no one is physically capable of posting an excerpt of actual substantial, detailed, purely fact-based evidence, but rather only narrative based conspiratorial stories and speculation built on top of some relatively minor facts, that relies heavily on the human mind's ability to invisibly fill in the gaps with "common sense" (aka heuristics) where actual factual information is missing.

Reminds me once again of the recent HN article:

Most of the Mind Can’t Tell Fact from Fiction

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20976567

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20977196

Targeted != hacked

"Which computer system did they break into"

From the NYTimes article:

While details of many of the hackings directed by Russian intelligence, particularly in Illinois and Arizona, are well known,

Don't you find it just a little odd that you are so sure of something you can't source?

Good question. But unfortunately evidence, facts, proof, logic etc are all irrelevant. At this stage, the anti-Russia narrative will never die.

I can’t read the article. Which computer system was hacked, what was the result of the hack, and how it attributed to Russian intelligence?

Probably the most relevant part:

>It concluded that while there was no evidence that any votes were changed in actual voting machines, “Russian cyberactors were in a position to delete or change voter data” in the Illinois voter database. The committee found no evidence that they did so.

Ah, the NYT. Totally just a newspaper /s

https://i.imgur.com/VUdcIou.jpg

https://gawker.com/here-are-some-top-n-y-times-editors-and-s...

Would you accept a Special Council investigation leading to indictments and sentences, or a joint investigation by the US intelligence community, as a good enough source?

Of course not. You need physical evidence of some kind or something that the public computer experts can verify themselves isn’t faked for political gain.

The US intelligence agencies are known to lie.

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