It's also exactly how the master-apprentice system works. It's a good system, is fair, and works. It's also vastly superior than the system where you pay to be trained by someone who is not a working master and end up learning substandard or obsolete methods.
Training a batch of people for six months who will mostly be useful after completion and are mostly likely to complete training might be a good proposition. If training time is four years, 50% of entrants complete training, and 50% of those trained are useful... the case might be weaker.
Invest x months of training at y cost.
Then the person leaves right after training for a higher-paying job.
That dis-incentivizes training.
Those help a lot.
in IT this is a real problem. it takes about half a year to make someone productive. it takes another half year or so before i start getting a return on my investment. if they leave then, i am barely breaking even. if they leave earlier, i am making a loss. a friend of mine tried this business and couldn't make it work financially.
A lot of the local network engineers in the Austin area owe their start to working on that NOC desk- they were fairly large so they kept 30ish people fairly busy. Once they reached a certain level of competency they either moved to supervisory positions or got poached...
Possible legalisation of drugs and stuff around that is a matter of interest for me, so if you can elaborate on that I'd appreciate it.
Even if drugs were legalized, this would still happen.
They test for drugs because being under the influence of drugs (including alcohol) is a safety hazard. I suppose if tests were developed that could differentiate between "I'm intoxicated" and "I smoked on my day off", the situation could change.
My bigger problem with legalisation is my experience of the utter fucking stupidity that suddenly manifests when drugs are present. Responsible use just does not seem part of many people's nature. I include legal drugs like alcohol in that.
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Bit of info, more FYI than actually relevant to the point here, but interesting: a mate of mine works in the office of a largish UK company.
He mentioned that there is drug testing for him and others in the office, at which point I predictably blew my top, assuming it's fucking intrusive American working practices come with American companies trying to spread fucking witless American drug policies over the world (and that is real problem IMO).
Hold on, said my mate, and pointed out that the company has a sizeable workforce that goes out to fix heavy, moving infrastructure under risky conditions. Drug testing is necessary under those conditions, agreed? And if they test them, the company can hardly make an exemption for the office staff, right?
Couldn't agree more.
But fairness comes in under the law, it's formalised as discrimination. That is something companies are rightly keen to avoid.
And also how the law works, what's the legal test to determine fairness?
If you're going to say something potentially very useful, at least back it up.
There are other professions which have problems with substance abuse but which take an approach that is more focused on rehabilitation. I have heard of this occurring for dentists and medical doctors but I haven’t heard of drug testing all practitioners and can’t imagine the uproar such a proposal would cause.
> I definitely don't want coke/meth heads though.
Why do you think that is worse than MJ? I know a guy who uses meth and he's reliable and can hold down a job. Have you any reason to hold that view other than from anti-drug propaganda? (not intended as snark)