I like the idea of a fundamental human right to "mobility". In the grand scheme of things a human being should be able to move anywhere as long as they obey local laws, pay local taxes, etc.
Now, in reality, Norwegians and Swedes are sufficiently similar and familiar with each other that they probably would be able to predict the other's actions and jointly avoid racing to the bottom, but could you say this about, say, Germans and Egyptians, for more complex downward spirals than "burn through our assets faster than the others get to"? Add to it that the short-sighted policies that actually make the difference between successful and failed countries rarely are so straightforwardly bad as buying blackjack and hookers: more commonly, we'll be talking about economic experiments, corruption and kickbacks for interest groups, and really a handful of policies where we still can't confidently say if they were actually good for a given polity in the long run (space programmes, social programmes , infrastructure megaprojects...), but have to rely on history to naturally select for political processes that crystallise better instincts for their selection.
In less abstract terms, I think that especially many right-leaning Americans feel that Latin-American socialism gets close to being an instance of "blackjack and hookers" in the sense of the above metaphor, and in the same vein Germans feel that Levantine... sectarianism?... does. (As in, sitting down and negotiating a sustainable peace with people from other ethnic groups who might be heretics and devil-worshippers is the hardship-and-sacrifice option, whereas using any momentary advantage to enrich your friends and blow up infidels is short-term fun.)
I'm not the most well-versed on these topic (colonization / mobility) but it would seem that that mobility is what helped shape America into what it is today rather than "not allowing mobility".
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonial_history_of_the_United...
If the government needs a couch, they don’t poof a couch into existence and everyone’s happy. They either take your couch or have someone sit down and make one.
It’s bizarre though how many people think governments can simply “provide”. America now can’t even provide for all the struggling people who already live there. You could argue that they could redefine their priorities and focus on immigrants, but that comes at a cost of something else, and people affected by those cuts would not be happy.
Not really. Your ancestors worked hard to improve the environment you were born in. It wasn't luck that created western civilization, it was the hard work and ingenuity of the generations that came before us.
For the record I think borders should be secure, but also allow pathways to citizenship.
We didn't earn it, but we were given it by our ancestors. While it does behoove us to be generous, it is still ours by right. We also have an obligation to our descendants to preserve it for them.
What good is it working to improve the fate of our descendants, if it is only going to be taken away from them because they didn't "earn" it?
What about someone born in a Mississippi housing project where everyone around them is illiterate? Or in some rust belt slum with drug-addicted parents? What about someone simply unable to get the mental health they need so they end up living on Skid Row?
Lots of people are born into very shitty circumstances, and if we have problems taking care of American citizens I don't see how you can make the argument we need to open our borders for everyone in the world born in tough circumstances.
Yes, thats life? Of course where there is abundance we ought to use it to fix the unfairness. But life is unfair.
I think it comes down to where do we actually draw the line of abundance. Some feel we're well past it, enough that we shouldn't even have borders, others feel we aren't even close and ought to be quite selective of who gets to stay.
Uh, yes I can. The US exists because the population staged a rebellion. I don't find it unconscionable to expect others to undertake the same effort our forebears did to improve their situation.
>>>You were born in a nice place by sheer luck. It's unfair.
Some of us are also taller than average as well, which is directly correlated with total career earnings. Sheer luck and unfair. Outcomes will ALWAYS vary due to the inherent genetic variations and capabilities in the human population.
Perhaps we'll eventually be in a future where surplus and government and security improvements makes this much easier to manage, and then maybe more countries will start moving to a more open-borders / global union model, but that future is probably at least a century away (probably several centuries). I think we should strive for that future, but that we should also accept pragmatic reality until it happens.
And I do think we should probably increase the amount of families we currently accept every year. Especially war refugees. Totally eliminating national boundaries is very different from that, though.
If a sizable fraction of a country started to leave or plan on leaving, it could also force these countries to get their shit together to become more attractive and retain them. Similar to what we have now with counter-measures to brain drains.
Basically it's about there being a curve for population size vs standard of living. We can't control the size of the population for the entire world, but a country can for themselves.
I don't really have much of an opinion on it, and can't say whether the article is bunk, but I did find it an interesting read.
It’s funny that you’ll see people on one hand talk about the laws Uber breaks or laws on piracy as bullshit inconveniences that need to be disrupted and on the other hand talk about immigration law as if it was holy writ.
It's a deep complex subject that can't be summed up in a short (or even a long) comment. If your understanding of it is based on misleading tropes that you've heard from pundits or political figures, it might be worth taking up the issue as a research project or taking some classes so that you are not taken in by slanderous misinformation.
The "don't show up for court" people were part of a program by the EOIR (which is part of the DOJ) to expedite the cases of newly arrived family units in 10 cities. They very largely did not show up. You can read about it here:
https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Asher%20Testi...
So it seems like there's something very different about these two different groups of asylum seekers.
Anyway no need for the high dudgeon about 'slanderous misinformation.'
It's not bad or racist to enforce immigration laws. Very few people in America support legitimately open borders and I do not either; the only ones that do are purist libertarians. Faux concern for these issues however is a hammer used by bad and, yes, racist people in order to batter people who are overwhelmingly poorer and non-white.
There is no evidence that a physical wall is a necessary investment and there are zero lives improved by separating children from their families as a "deterrent" during a massive humanitarian crisis.
A decade ago, I used to think that the Republican concern over illegal immigration (which is absolutely a legitimate concern), was truly out of concern for those exploited by the system and out of concern for the American worker. I thought that those calling this concern as "anti immigrant" were being disingenuous. Of course, that was before I realized people like Stephen Miller are really saying the quiet part loud these days.
The humanitarian crisis at the border is caused by lots of people showing up at the border, right? It seems like the only way to stop the crisis then is to get people to stop showing up at the border, and the only way to do that is to enforce immigration laws. Is there another answer?
We've spent 230+ years having borders without separating children at gunpoint to give up for adoption [0]. It was explicitly called a deterrent by Jeff Sessions [1]. The cruelty is the point.
[0]. https://theintercept.com/2018/07/01/separated-children-adopt...
[1]. https://www.axios.com/sessions-says-he-hopes-child-separatio...
> So if you're saying we shouldn't separate children from parents, then you're for defacto open borders.
No, not at all.
it also wins millions of future and current hispanic votes by pandering