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Comment by cjblomqvist | Hacker News Reader

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Albeit there are most likely a lot of "hackery" needed due to using Electron/web tech to get the optimal performance, this article is about architecture and how they originally did not build an architecture to support this and how they now needed to re-think that in order to get the startup performance they now desire - a situation you probably (likely?) could end up in using other technologies than Electron/web.

The high velocity web tech landscape and a startup (velocity) mentality are more likely the reasons why this was not made originally (most likely a good trade off, in particular the startup velocity argument). I'm a little surprised a community like HN don't see this, and rather bash Electron being the devil of all things (as some comments seem to imply). We should rather commend Slack for (obviously) making a decent tech choice (using a perspective where what really matters to them; rapid growth, is/was the first priority above all else, including "technical excellence").

It seems to me that the reason this architecture is needed is because the original choice of technology necessitates it.

I mean, it's not that a C++ application wouldn't need a rearchitecting for startup performance, but it would likely not be needed for an application as simple as Slack.

I’m curious: why would you consider Slack to be “simple”?

I see Slack as an incredibly full-featured app. As always, many people might not use all the features, but that doesn't mean that nobody does…

I'm comparing it to applications that may have somewhat more reasons for slow startup times, like mentioned below in the thread (think: Photoshop, Maya, Unreal Engine, etc). Not a chat application.

I'm not saying Slack is not full-featured, but it's definitely not on the same scale as some of these other applications.

Maybe, but I would actually argue with the assumption that an image editor is somehow inherently (allowed to be) “more complicated and/or slow” than a productivity app.

Or, more simply: Slack (and other similar products) are not just “chat applications”.

No, they're certainly not just chat applications, but if you think that Photoshop is an image editor that is somehow at the same level of complexity as Slack I'm not sure what to tell you. We'll have to agree to disagree!

Because very very little happens in the client itself. Basically any button that does something is just an api call out to their servers and an update to the view. You can see this yourself when you're working on a higher-latency network connection -- damn near every click gets you a spinner or a pause of some sort before things happen.

>rapid growth, is/was the first priority above all else, including "technical excellence"

That's the modus operandi of many unpleasant things like bacteria or cancer cells, why should it be commendable on its own?

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