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Here's a direct link to the client-side benchmark tool to test your own documents and pull numbers directly:

https://www.pdftron.com/benchmarks/pnacl-vs-wasm/

Note that it only works in Chrome b/c it's the only browser that supported PNaCl (recently deprecated). Edge Beta (with chromium underneath) is buggy, so best not to use it for this tool.

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> PNaCl's speed is 1.95 times faster than WASM

> MacBook Pro (13-inch, 2017, Four Thunderbolt 3 Ports)

I wonder why PNaCL was deprecated if it is faster in run-of-the-mill situations?

It only works in Chrome, which is a pretty big issue.

Per wikipedia [0], other browsers rejected PNaCL because they don't like the idea of web apps running binaries as that represents a black box for most users. In comparison, wasm is "more open". Wasm code has a human-readable text equivalent (although, frankly, the number of people who will be able to make sense of it is not high and doesn't include me).

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Native_Client#Detractor...

(P)NaCl was also essentially defined by Chromium's implementation, so difficult to reproduce from scratch; and tightly intertwined with the surrounding Chromium codebase, so that implementation was difficult to port to other browsers. Its success depended on a total Chromium monoculture.

Another problem was compile times - getting an efficient emit and compile time for LLVM IR was difficult and involved having to heavily optimize/replace lots of parts of LLVM's pipeline that were never designed for turbo speed because it wasn't a priority.

On the note of webassembly's text format (WAT), it's a fantastic introduction into a low level assembly. Wasm is a virtual stack machine, and it's strongly statically typed, so WAT is surprisingly readable. That being said, if the WAT you're reading wasn't hand-written, it's probably going to be unreadable anyway.

Here's an example of some mutex operations in WAT: https://gist.github.com/devsnek/9274f1420b7641d1b6c34141921f...

The livestreaming site twitch.tv uses wasm for their player, so you download a fifty something blob which is not too open I feel. I tried to have a look at it in wat and it was sadly pretty hard to figure out what was going on.

What will it take to get WebAssembly performance more in line?

I don't have a good overview but the last time I saw wasm-generated assembly it (e.g. firefox's compiler) was very very bad at actually using x86 addressing modes and other peephole-like "optimization" leading to high instruction counts and code size.

This is something that will easily improve over time without a ton of work.

Machine code can be disassembled to text form. What's different?

As someone who has worked with PNaCL before, I think its really important to stress how utterly terrible it is to work with. The intermediary representation for PNaCL was based off of LLVM IR, which is not (contrary to what a lot of people think) platform independent. The nail in the coffin though, was probably sandboxing. PNaCL is basically just running some opaque binary on your computer and crossing your fingers that chrome's sandboxing was up to snuff. Wasm, on the other hand, is built from the ground up as a mathematically verified sandboxed vm, and this works so well that modern wasm compilers don't even need to emit bounds checks on memory lookups in many cases. On a more organizational level, other browsers were not comfortable implementing something with so much control from a single company.

While the official representation is not 100% platform independent, there are some forks of it that are, e.g. Apple own variant for App Store.

There was even a WWDC 2019 talk, on how it allowed a seamless 64 bit transition for watchOS.

WebAssembly is expected to be around a long time, so it's not enough to just measure its speed today, because engines aren't very mature yet. As engines mature, it will likely get faster.

Also, performance is just one factor. Other criteria include security model, standards and governance, Web integration, nondeterminism.

No doubt, WebAssembly has lot's of going for it. I think the purpose of the article was to bring awareness around current performance and memory limitations so that WebAssembly can live to its full promise. Not so much an argument to keep PNaCl around.

https://blog.chromium.org/2017/05/goodbye-pnacl-hello-webass...

Has chrome performance with wasm improved lately ? Last time I checked it was way slower than Firefox.

PNaCL does not have much degree of ABI stability. So the compiled binary may not work in the future.

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