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I wonder what would happen if this was a paul graham shitpost. :)
Also so sad to see this happening, we are all responsible, it's not Brazil's responsibility, it's World's responsibility to take care of nature.
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I wonder what would happen if this was a paul graham shitpost. :)
Also so sad to see this happening, we are all responsible, it's not Brazil's responsibility, it's World's responsibility to take care of nature.
Imagine if they did the same thing to help nature. I am not even talking about sending their people, just the mobilisation of politics to act on important subjects.
Til we forget the "my lawn, your shit" way of thinking shit will be going south
This situation is entirely different. You are missing a lot of the nuance here. Brazil is a huge country which supplies many countries with countless commodities and other products. External military intervention would only make the situation worse.
This is not how international politics work.
I'm definitely not in favour of what has happened in Iraq, but brute-forcing every problem with external intervention makes absolutely no sense.
In this case, it's reasonably clear that this situation is awful, but if we start turning everything into B/W and ignoring the value of dialogue soon we'll run into other more nuanced disagreements being solved through violence.
> external intervention
We are all internal to the same world/nature.
A world green police sounds great (better than a world oil reserve police atleast) but that requires a world government to come up with the authority and solution that does not result in suffering.
It's not going to work if the country you live in is secluded from the world and is exploiting the resources of the world for the commodities and relative fortune.
I understand people are disillusioned with politicians everywhere in the world but we should not abandon politics because of that.
So you want to invade Brazil to stop them burning their forest?
Eh, no. The part of the Amazon that is in Brazil belongs to Brazil.
You know ANYTHING about air?
If you don't consider yourself subject subject to change you are doomed to disappear.
However, other countries cannot intervene. Brazilian borders are Brazilian, any other country that wants to help needs to be authorised by Brazilian authorities.
The real problem here is that Brazil's leaders are awful and there's nothing that can be done in regards to that. It's only possible to protest and fight against them in a legal manner.
Romanticizing revolution is ineffective. It's not only extremely hard but also infeasible to destroy all power structures already in place.
Or the Gulf of Mexico coast with the Deep Horizon incident.
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Não vai encontrar razoabilidade aqui, amigo. Esta gente julga que manda no mundo inteiro.
There are other comments in other sub-threads.
Also, this pretext isn't a new idea, and there's heavyweight international support for it.
“Contrary to what Brazilians think, the Amazon is not their property, it belongs to all of us,” Al Gore, then a senator, said in 1989.
https://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/18/weekinreview/18barrionuev...
The Latin-American Bishops Conference denounced this back in 2007:
The growing assault on the environment may serve as a pretext for proposals to internationalize the Amazon, which only serve the economic interests of transnational corporations. Pan-Amazon society is multiethnic, multicultural, and multireligious. The dispute over the occupation of the land is intensifying more and more. The traditional communities of the region want their lands to be recognized and legalized.
https://www.celam.org/aparecida/Ingles.pdf Paragraph 86
The Brazilian Amazon territory borders British, French and Dutch interests in Guyana, French Guyana and Suriname, respectively.
So, I don't see a horde of enemies, but I see an agenda.
In my view, Bolsonaro's tenure is viewed as an opportunity to further this agenda, and that's if he's not in it himself.
"There is nothing abnormal about the climate this year or the rainfall in the Amazon region, which is just a little below average," Inpe researcher Alberto Setzer told Reuters.
"The dry season creates the favourable conditions for the use and spread of fire, but starting a fire is the work of humans, either deliberately or by accident."
Unfortunately, people chose to elect an awful president and there's nothing we can do about it other than protest.
Bolsonaro is the worst leader this country has ever had since the military dictatorship.
The military dictatorship's human rights record was horrible and perverse, but at least they had better technical management and were nationalists. It's crazy we're down to the level of saying "well, but at least" when talking about the military dictatorship, but it is what it is.
Embrapa, Embraer, Petrobras, Eletrobras, the Rio - Niterói bridge, the nuclear power plants in Angra dos Reis, the nuclear power plant in Itaipu, the satellite launch station in Alcântara, among many others, were investments of the military dictatorship.
The current guy on the other is an entreguista and wants foreign military forces to have authority in Alcântara. A que ponto chegamos?!
I think Bolsonaro is the worst leader this country has had since, well, since pretty much recorded history.