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Can somebody explain how to parse the page linked here? This seems like deeplinking Intl the middle of a conversation.

Side note: it feels like Twitter specifically has done immeasurable damage to the discourse. Why does the communication have to be presented so confusingly? To an outsider it seems like it’s to create maximum outrage/confusion/dopamine response. That’s much scarier to me than a customer service team.

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I see this complaint a lot, but I absolutely disagree. It's a conversation back and forth between "Diana Wilde @rulesObeyer" and a series of different accounts in the format @AmazonFC<Name>, culminating in "Diana" saying the tweet that was linked. The lines connecting the tweets very clearly show the flow of responses. There are instances where conversations can be hard to follow if you're not involved, because the replies are more of trees than lists, but this is really not one of those cases.

I agree with you about the tree-like conversations. It would be great if there were a site or a an app that could display them AS trees.

Some of the FC Ambassador accounts may not be genuine.

E.g. I'm fairly sure Slavoj Žižek isn't working in an Amazon warehouse.

Then again - we're all in this gig economy thing, so maybe anything is possible.

There are some people memeing with the names, but you can recognise them because their account names don't follow the same pattern as the shill accounts.

Žižek is a rather famous philosopher and frequently engages in public discourse. Might be worth it to check his Wikipedia page[1] and/or YouTube presence.

Not saying this is he himself, but obviously not an Amazon employee at least.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavoj_%C5%BDi%C5%BEek

Came here to ask the same. Twitter is utterly unreadble to me. Since they are linked to quite often, I once wanted to give them feedback that their website is pretty bad and _really_ annoying to use with a browser since they nag and nag and nag about using their app instead (just like reddit). Well, that was fruitless since they of course wanted me to have an account for that... The web is not as good nowadays unfortunately.

Can't people stop linking to Twitter? Not everyone uses twitter, and to non-users, their website sucks.

So when something of interest (to someone) happens on Twitter it should what? Be ignored? Be summarized without including a link?

You are not required to read every post on HN, and you can see on the front page which ones go to sites you don't like.

> So when something of interest (to someone) happens on Twitter it should what? Be ignored? Be summarized without including a link?

Yes? For non-users, it's only marginally less bad than a Facebook page that requires a login, and people mostly don't go aronud sharing links to Facebook threads.

I’d go with summarized, perhaps with a link. That’s what you are supposed to do if an article you want to link to has a horrible (but not link-bait) title. In this case it has horrible design, it’s no so different.

What would it be OK for people to link to?

Things you can read with a browser, not things requiring you to run some proprietary software.

You can read Twitter.com in a browser.

Yes, but it is so crippled that they might just as well show you a big "Fuck you" instead.

(Sorry)

I only use Twitter in a browser. I haven’t seen any issue.

https://www.thepoke.co.uk/2019/08/15/amazon-ambassadors-take...

This link provides some context.

Normally I hate news articles that consists just of other peoples tweets, but this was actually useful.

Broken for me, too. Twitter's UI is awful. Altering the URL to 'm.twitter.com' worked for me, as I can now see the topmost comment by 'Amazon News'

These accounts are not costumer service, they are specifically paid to talk up how nice it is to work for Amazon, amidst reports of incredibly terrible working conditions.

Scroll up and read downward. The UI allows you to link to a particular spot and then scroll to the top to read rest of context in chronological order.

Just... scroll up for the earlier parts of the thread?

Scroll up, hit the top, start reading.

Tried that. Top message:

Diana Wilde @rulesObeyer

16h16 hours ago Replying to @AmazonFCRafael

are you a robot, did they make a bunch of ai to lie for them instead of helping real workers

So still diving into the middle of a conversation.

You might be hitting a twitter bug or having an issue with their slightly weird phased loading, the top message I get is from 'Amazon News':

> Come take a free tour at an Amazon fulfillment center and see what our warehouses are really like. Check out the locations and reserve your spot online. #AmazonFCTours

Then Diane replies to that and the back-and-forth with Amazon employees begins.

I got the same as treerock, the news article posted elsewhere in this thread is useful for context

I got the actual start, but there's some scrolljacking going on: it took significantly longer to reach the top than it did to go back down to the "borg" tweet. Maybe you did hit the real top, then were immediately bounced back down?

That doesn't get me to something that looks like the start of a conversation.

You scroll up, and then read each tweet.

I refuse to believe HN users are this genuinely ignorant about such a basic website. It's really nowhere near as hard to read as anyone here makes it out to be.

The first tweet when I scroll up is an answer in the middle of the conversation. The actual start isn't visible. And if I need to scroll up in order to understand anything, why not load the page from the top instead of jumping to some random place? It's almost like any basic website does this better.

Because a user chose to link to a particular section?

Do you also complain when you get directly linked to a particular line of code in github or a readme?

I took your advice, and the fifth message in the list (by "@amazonfcrafael") starts with "(2/2)". I don't see the (1/2) of that message, so it seems parts of the conversation are missing and I'm looking at some kind of automatically generated subset of all the relevant tweets. But I guess I'm "ignorant"...

That’s the Amazon “ambassador” doing a bad job

That's because the amazon bots are bad and don't know how to reply to themselves properly.

Perhaps a lot more people are genuinely ignorant about a "basic website" than you'd think.

It's buggy, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Looks like the redesign still had some issues to shake out. No need to suggest that the commenters are ignorant.

>I refuse to believe HN users are this genuinely ignorant about such a basic website.

You sound a lot like @rulesObeyer.

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