What's the formal demands from the HK protests?
Can someone point to some official documents from the protesters?
Can someone point to some official documents from the protesters?
The complete withdrawal of the proposed extradition bill
The government to withdraw the use of the word “riot” in relation to protests
The unconditional release of arrested protesters and charges against them dropped
An independent inquiry into police behaviour
Implementation of genuine universal suffrage
Source: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/13/what-do-the-ho...
Reasonable.
> The government to withdraw the use of the word “riot” in relation to protests
Unfortunately, not reasonable.
OK, now it's no longer factual to say that it's not a "riot". I do not defend either side, but let's be sure to use the word correctly.
> The unconditional release of arrested protesters and charges against them dropped
Sorry, not reasonable.
What about the protester who is claimed to bite off a police's finger: https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/law-and-crime/article/30...
> An independent inquiry into police behaviour
Reasonable.
But there will be an independent inquiry being requested on the protesters as well. I am not suggesting that, I am just saying obviously Chines government is going to demand that as well.
> Implementation of genuine universal suffrage
Moderately reasonable. You are asking a country to adopt a different political system in a prominent area.
But if you want to retrieve the skin of a lion by asking politely, or assume you only suffer minor scratch, you'd better prepare to get killed.
The one China says doesn't matter any more.
>Unfortunately, not reasonable.
It's completely reasonable the word riot carries legal implications that should not apply here. It doesn't matter what the common definition of the noun is it matters how the government uses that word.
It's the equivalent of a vegan saying "Meat is Murder" pointing out the technical definitions of the words then expecting all meat eaters to get arrested for at least conspiracy to commit murder.
Not to cast false aspersions but I bet you can't even look at the image in the link below and write the same sentence about the other leader in this photo without fearing for your future.
https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-china-blog-40627855
Sentence: Obama is Tigger.
Now you write the full sentence : Xi Jinping is ____
The amount of police violence during the protests have bumped that number to 5:
https://twitter.com/HongKongHermit/status/116040946563762176...
I do not refute the idea that polices are violent at the beginning, after all, that's what they are hired to do.
But the escalation of events pretty much marred the picture as a splendid mixes of colorful distortions.
If anyone recall how CCP got the power, they got that through violence.
It does not matter who is violent, the winner has to win in order to rewrite the history. And please be aware that demanding universal voting is calling for revolution.
I had extended family in law enforcement, and my brother is studying to become a police officer. They would be very offended to hear that police are hired to be violent. They're hired to enforce justice. A Hong Kong citizen speaking their mind against the government to achieve change is absolutely within the bounds of Hong Kong justice, to violently break up assemblies aimed at changing government policy by voicing discontent is far removed from the principles police forces like the one in Hong Kong were founded on.
If they were deployed simply to be violent towards people who voice their opinion the government no longer functions within Hong Kong's basic law and they are no longer representing the people of Hong Kong. Just like the people of China has done multiple times towards rulers who don't represent them, the people of Hong Kong fought back.
It does matter.