Have you tried to engage in that kind of discussion? These people use troll tactics. The first rule for them is to attack any attempt to ask for civil discussion.
1. this is obviously not going to stop the actual issue; calling people delusional over a strawman is pretty disingenuous.
2. Clearly there's mental illness and lack of gun control at play. There are candidates who try to address this in their platform. There are media outlets mentioning/discussing this. People want free healthcare, i.e. free access to mental health resources.
3. Talking to these people over the course of hundreds of years hasn't helped, but you're welcome to stop by *chan and have a logical debate with them. These are people who think their race is being targeted and that their race & culture is being destroyed, so I'm excited to hear the results of your well-reasoned and perfectly-logical debates.
While you're having your debates, I'm sure people will be happy to have these extremists congregate on an easily-available website like 8chan (not applicable at the moment, obviously) and also hope they don't have to dodge bullets while they're celebrating garlic, trying to get groceries at walmart, or wherever the next shooter is gonna bring his toys next.
I don't get why it's so easy for "bad" people on the site to manipulate people into subscribing to these hateful ideologies but it's impossible for "good" people to pull them back out.
I strongly believe forcing them further underground will only result in more violence long term.
It's easier to manipulate people into this than it is to get them out because making up facts is easier than correcting them. Look at how many people still believe the moon landing didn't happen. It's literally one of the easiest conspiracy theories to debunk. Debunking the flat Earth idea is also easy, but at least some of it requires a bit of math and logical thinking.
The racist ideas about crime in the US, rapes in Sweden/Europe, and immigration are harder to debunk. Not because I can link an article that debunks them, but because it's an entire cemented world view that keeps them from even looking at the article in the first place. My perspective on this is that a person with this world view has to spend time with the people of the race that they're against. And that you can't really do on an image forum.
To your other post, yes, I do concede that it has gotten better in a lot of ways. But it's my opinion that arguments aren't what made things better.
This is a very good point. It's interesting because it could happen on an image forum but it would probably be hard to make it meaningful in the way that you describe (and that is so important).
I can't help but thinking the internet might at least be part of the solution though. So much opportunity for diverse groups to meet and interact.
I did spend time on image boards, like 7chan and 420chan, but from what I remember, they still felt isolating more than they made me feel connected. It's a weird dichotomy. I feel that way about Reddit, too, so it isn't just the anonymous aspect of image boards that makes it harder for me to feel connected.
Society: Take responsibility for yourself, either accept your lot in life or affect change through self-improvement and the democratic process.
Degenerates: It's not your fault, it's XXX.
It probably makes you feel better about yourself to label someone else a despicable degenerate and simultaneously scrub your hands of the problem and any possible attempt you could make towards a solution but it's not doing anything to make the world a better place.
There are powerful tools that have been used throughout history to dramatically change the world and change the types of people you would label as degenerates. We just have more work to do.
My assumption is that this is primarily a site for engineers who are highly effective practical problem solvers and I think we would all benefit if more people treated this like a solvable problem.
"Talking to these people over the course of hundreds of years hasn't helped"
I think you have to concede that over the past couple hundred years race relations have improved significantly.