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I was thinking more serious things than sanctions. For example, if Iran launches a cyber attack on the west like the Saudi-Americo wiper attack we shut off their internet for a few days. Hack our infrastructure, we shut down the whole power grid.

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> Under the 1949 Geneva Conventions, collective punishment is a war crime. By collective punishment, the drafters of the Geneva Conventions had in mind the reprisal killings of World War I and World War II. In the First World War, the Germans executed Belgian villagers in mass retribution for resistance activity during the Rape of Belgium. In World War II, both the Germans and the Japanese carried out a form of collective punishment to suppress resistance. Entire villages or towns or districts were held responsible for any resistance activity that occurred at those places.[5] The conventions, to counter this, reiterated the principle of individual responsibility. The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) Commentary to the conventions states that parties to a conflict often would resort to "intimidatory measures to terrorize the population" in hopes of preventing hostile acts, but such practices "strike at guilty and innocent alike. They are opposed to all principles based on humanity and justice."

Geneva convention seems to be working very well in the Middle East and Russia.

Russian used a nerve agent in London and not much happened. They’ve also annexed part of a sovereign nation in Europe. The last time that happened WWII started. They likely provided chemical agents or technical know how to Syria. The Saudis do whatever they please.

Ukraine is not part of Europe. They have a trade agreement with the European Union.

Still, there was much more pushback against Russia before Trump took office. Sanctions hurt their economy and Russia was forced to sell from their gold reserves to defend large dips in the ruble's value.

"Ukraine is not part of Europe."

Ukraine is 100% part of Europe, as per any conceivable map or definition of Europe.

The Ukraine is not an EU member country.

i don't disagree, except the cw stuff. the US breaks the conventions too (eg waterboarding) but they're still there for a reason. many people, mostly elderly or critically ill, would die in the event of a power grid being shut down. it is effectively indistinguishable from terrorism.

Your points are very valid. The US should absolutely be held accountable.

Smarter and more experienced people than me need to draw the lines.

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