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Can he just fix the Macbook keyboards? Thanks.

I haven't heard anything negative yet about the new (May 2019) 4th gen butterfly keyboards.

Probably because it takes 6 months for them to start failing and get all mushy.

They’ve been fixed for a while now. I have used each generation of the new keyboard, and since the 3rd gen (released in 2018) have had exactly zero issues with keys that repeat or fail to register the keystroke.

The feel on the butterfly keyboard is so much better than the older keyboards (which I also use on a regular basis). The amount of travel on the old keys honestly wears my hands down now. I can type forever without fatigue on the newer ones.

Can I please get a non-touchbar 15 inch macbook pro though?

Less sarcastically, I don't know how many people (proxy value is articles written about and videos made about) like the touchbar. However, Apple will never backpedal on a product no matter the reception of the touchbar which I personally hate.

If we're keying off of personal anecdote, allow me to be a single point in favor of the touch bar. I actually like the thing, and find it useful. Yes, I do!

I like it took, but I wish the escape key was a physical button. It's nice that you can touch anywhere in the corner and don't have to hit the exact spot on the Touch Bar, but it would be nice to have a button.

As a frequent vi user, I mapped my 'caps lock' key to Esc long before Apple started shipping a Touch Bar, so I have been puzzled by people lamenting the Esc key placement.

> Apple will never backpedal on a product

That seems to be a cultural thing at Apple, perhaps even a hold over from the Jobs days. It's frustrating, I agree.

So we're stuck with it until they come up with something new and better?

I really, really hope not

The 2018 keyboard does feel better than the previous ones, however it's still not very reliable. I need to take my 2018 mbpro to replace the keyboard next week (same issue, one button is registered twice from time to time)

Maybe he should talk about these issues publicly in an open manner. Has there been any public acknowledgement by Apple?

Yes, there is a keyboard replacement program for all models with new keyboard: https://www.apple.com/support/keyboard-service-program-for-m...

My 2018 MBP has developed keyboard issues. It may be better than it used to be but it’s not fixed.

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