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You see this problem with the 'edge lord' thing, they supposedly don't mean the things they say or the usernames they choose, but it ends up enabling and empowering people who do actually mean those things. It was supposedly all for the lulz, but now it's the actual world we live in.

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Placing the blame on a very small but extremely vocal minority is a fallacy. This of course does not absolve them of their share of responsibility, but extreme satire should have a place in our culture.

There should be, I agree.

But I think it comes back to the old adage that “there’s a time and place” for it.

I think that forming a community around roleplaying extreme satire has proven problematic and is not the way to carry it out.

I know, right? I thought mocking male tears and saying KillAllMen was ironic, but now overt lack of empathy for men is normal and encouraged.

Then there are the constant pushere for social controll, who claim to do it for for decency and human kindness, but when the situation boils down the ingredients, you find its mostly because controlling other peoples lives, resources and creations is what they really want.

The radicalisation on 4chan, was produced by all those external echo chamber snuffing out that little speakers corner for weirdos. Reddit, Tumblr, all that comercial ilk, you serve so gladly, which aggregates people by doing the equivalent of a medieval mob ralley - created this nightmare.

Say it with me: "Its very cost effective, to be a radical in a attention economy. I brought this on society to earn a livelihood, and now want to shift the blame towards those places where the polarization i created, becomes most visible, be it a tavern or a brothel. Im a monster and should be hunted down by the monsters i created if there was justice to this world."

Of course if you would ever admit that, all those "nice, constructive people, wanting only the best for people" while blindly shoving there ideology forwards, no matter what the consequences, would become all edgy.

> Then there are the constant pushere for social controll, who claim to do it for for decency and human kindness, but when the situation boils down the ingredients, you find its mostly because controlling other peoples lives, resources and creations is what they really want.

Yeah, with their things like, "Women get bodily autonomy because it's part of the full spectrum of human rights" and "you can't just fire gay people or say they can't be married because you think it's gross" or "maybe inviting someone who openly says women can't contribute to science because they're better off breeding is a bad look for a science conference."

Boy do they sound unreasonable and controlling. They just want your money, clearly.

> The radicalisation on 4chan, was produced by all those external echo chamber snuffing out that little speakers corner for weirdos. Reddit, Tumblr, all that comercial ilk, you serve so gladly, which aggregates people by doing the equivalent of a medieval mob ralley - created this nightmare.

"Mean liberals and corporations radicalized me," is not really that compelling an argument. If we looked at your youtube play history I suspect we'd find a plurality (if not an outright majority) of your time spent is watching lie-merchant radicalizers like Crowder or "skeptical" material.

> Of course if you would ever admit that, all those "nice, constructive people, wanting only the best for people" while blindly shoving there ideology forwards, no matter what the consequences, would become all edgy.

It's not "blindly", the attempt to de-normalize this behavior by shunning it is pretty tactical. It's the least violent way to proceed. It involves saying, "You're not welcome in my house, you're not welcome at my events, and I'm going to do my best within the bounds of the law to see to it you don't profit from my work."

The fact that this is interpreted as folks losing their careers or having their lives ruined is pretty interesting to me. The shoe is on the other foot now, and suddenly people realize that maybe words and ideas can hurt. Suddenly "free speech" (which is a code for, "forbidding social consequences for bad or unfriendly behavior") is very important to folks, many of which not so long ago said that Occupy was unlawfully assembling on public spaces and weren't worth listening to.

I think you should leave sarcasm-laden emotional diatribes like this on more mainstream "right vs left" sites like Reddit and Facebook. Responses like this really don't add anything to the conversation and could be said in about 1/5 the volume you used if you omitted the edgy rhetoric.

Well, I've been on HackerNews for a long time and if you look at my karma score, the vast majority of that (at least 80%) is from user comment moderation.

And this post has a positive score as well. So evidently some folks like the style of writing and find it valuable.

Also, it's telling you didn't (and haven't) said this to other non-left points of view on this thread. Nor does a cursory glance of your search history reveal other such interventions.

So perhaps I will take your affected objectivity with a grain of salt until we have interacted more and I can take your positive intentions at face value.

for being on here for such a long time, I'd expect more mature and seasoned responses for dissenting or unpopular opinions.

Rather, I don't feel the need to baby obviously disingenuous arguments. That, more than anything else, is the hallmark of aforementioned pseudo-intellectual discussion sites that insist that ritualistic, feigned ignorance of context is a necessary virtue.

that sounds a lot like why the drinking age is 21 in the states.

one state moved the age, so all their young partiers moved their binging and drunk driving to neighboring states, who then had to move their drinking ages, until there was national agreement.

if 4chan didn't want all the kicked out weirdos, it should have kicked them out too

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