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No federated rooms. Offline messages are supported.

I guess newer Prosody supports this and much more out of the box but the generic configuration instructions I used are here: https://serverfault.com/questions/835635/what-prosody-module...

> The problem with omemo, jingle, etc. is that you have makes sure that the XMPP components you use support them. It would be fine if all popular implementations support those features, but that's not the case.

Isn't this also the case with Matrix that no implementations except the official ones support E2E encryption?

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> Isn't this also the case with Matrix that no implementations except the official ones support E2E encryption?

This isn't true. There are independent working E2E implementations in weechat-matrix and pantalaimon (python-nio), nheko (mtxclient), and even a read-only one in purple-matrix. Meanwhile lots of independent apps build on the official SDKs (e.g. Seaglass on macOS, bots like Matrix-Recorder, the various Riot forks, etc)

Glad to hear the update, thanks!

Just curious, which XEP is offline messages?

In Matrix, clients are supposed to implement the full Client-Server API. If a client leaves out e2e then it cannot claim to implement the matrix protocol.

Given that 1.0 of the full matrix protocol was published only a few days ago, it makes sense that anything other than the official implementations are behind. E2e in the official implementation is not that old either.

Even the official implementations need some work to be useful. For example, cross device signing is not there yet.

> Just curious, which XEP is offline messages?

Simple retaining messages until the client is online was supported since ages, I don't think there is XEP for that but I could be wrong. More elaborate scheme with persistence, multidevice access, paging etc is here: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0313.html

> In Matrix, clients are supposed to implement the full Client-Server API. If a client leaves out e2e then it cannot claim to implement the matrix protocol.

Yes, XMPP has XEP suites that serve the same purpose: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0387.html

Just a note - without XEP-0198 you will be losing offline messages if your connection is unreliable. I think most desktop jabber clients still do not support it.

> Isn't this also the case with Matrix that no implementations except the official ones support E2E encryption?

A general purpose project to provide all clients with E2E encryption is being developed (and is usable right now): https://github.com/matrix-org/pantalaimon

Right now it runs as a daemon on a user's local machine.

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