Looks like their main crime is being conservative.
Looks like their main crime is being conservative.
I've watched a few Paul Joseph Watson videos. I've also watched Shapiro, Milo, and Peterson, recognized from the screenshots shown. You can agree or disagree with the positions they take (e.g. Milo plays the extravagant provocateur for laughs and money), but where are those "conspiracy theories"?
Of course in these days, everything is labeled a "conspiracy theory" too. I keep the term for things involving the illuminati and aliens.
Regular corporatist interests and politicians conspire all the time -- the more open version is called lobbying.
Heck, politics is all about conspiring (including very covertly spy-shit, Nixon-Watergate like) against other parties and ideologies...
I've watched several of his own videos on his YouTube channel. Where are the conspiracy theories?
A lot of the prison planet blog was deleted it seems, I guess due to his and alex jones' fallout, but here are your links.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifIAlft47bM
https://www.infowars.com/obama-birth-certificate-raises-as-m...
https://web.archive.org/web/20180123234120/https://www.priso...
https://web.archive.org/web/20170702085649/https://www.priso...
https://web.archive.org/web/20171226050840/https://www.priso...
The second is merely reporting, on a well known topic of public discussion. A document was requested, it appeared, and there were people raising questions about certain aspects. Should they not be reported? Where's the conspiracy part?
The others I'll give you are conspiracy theory material (though several of those kind of conspiracies (government conspiring, ordering executions, and so on), that a naive US person thinks "can never happen", have been found -- by courts and later evidence -- true in Europe time and again, just ask in Italy, Spain, France, Greece, etc. E.g:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piazza_Fontana_bombing#Officia...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigoris_Lambrakis
That said, those are from like 10 years ago or more? I'm familiar with his YouTube stuff and I don't see much conspiracy stuff there.
I can see how Stefan Molyneux and Paul Joseph Watson make people very uncomfortable (heck, they often make me feel uncomfortable, particularly Molyneux), they are certainly "extreme", for current mainstream definitions of the word.
But then again, FTA:
> “When I found this stuff, I felt like I was chasing uncomfortable truths,” he told me. “I felt like it was giving me power and respect and authority.”
I've watched some of these guys videos, and I believe anyone claiming that they do not have at least some valid perspectives worth discussion is being intellectually dishonest.
> Unlike most progressives Mr. Cain had seen take on the right, Mr. Bonnell and Ms. Wynn were funny and engaging. They spoke the native language of YouTube, and they didn’t get outraged by far-right ideas. Instead, they rolled their eyes at them, and made them seem shallow and unsophisticated. “I noticed that right-wing people were taking these old-fashioned, knee-jerk, reactionary politics and packing them as edgy punk rock,” Ms. Wynn told me. “One of my goals was to take the excitement out of it.” When Mr. Cain first saw these videos, he dismissed them as left-wing propaganda. But he watched more, and he started to wonder if people like Ms. Wynn had a point. Her videos persuasively used research and citations to rebut the right-wing talking points he had absorbed. “I just kept watching more and more of that content, sympathizing and empathizing with her and also seeing that, wow, she really knows what she’s talking about,” Mr. Cain said.
"persuasively used research and citations to rebut the right-wing talking points he had absorbed" - the right-wing talking points that also used research and citations. That's the thing about propaganda and statistics - it's a double edged sword.
> I've also watched Shapiro, Milo, and Peterson, recognized from the screenshots shown. You can agree or disagree with the positions they take, but where are those "conspiracy theories"?
I too noticed the subtle guilt by association. I wonder if the commonality of this tactic ever adds fuel to the fire of conspiratorial thinking.
I continue to believe that one of the biggest reasons that "right wing extremism" is so effective at recruiting is because there are so many holes in official/proper version of reality we're sold.
And taking for granted that of course progressives can't be bigots.
There weren't for example any massive pogroms against Jews under Stalin, or the destroying of thousands of years of historical treasures (not to mention millions of people) under Mao. Progressives never call whole swaths of people "white trash" or "deplorables". Leftist students never prevent people who doesn't share their views from speaking, and so on...
I saw exactly zero news articles which covered the budget. Not a single one. Almost every single topic that bubbled up on national news, in debates, and on social media involved identity politics. Immigration, gender, religion, and then some climate on the side. The only political party in Sweden that still talk a bit about taxes is the one furthest on the left, and that mostly because capital tax has been their consistent talking point for about as long as the party has existed.
That would merely be response to the current leftist narrative.
Doesn’t that sound like just the debate/discussion you just asked for, in the very same post? Make up your mind.