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Those APUs are a weird mix between Zen and Zen+, they got improvements over Zen but they are not fully Zen+, and they even have some unique drawbacks (the TIM, they are not soldered).

Complaining about TIM on an entry-level processor seems... questionable.

I was just highlighting that there are differences.

Though that temps are higher because of that, resulting in more work for the cooler, is not ideal for a CPU that's apart from that great for a HTPC.

2000 series is not zen+ when it comes to APUs. 3000 series is zen+ in APUs.

Ah, interesting. Thanks for the clarification.