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Your sentiment is popular this days with the big propaganda we see but is there any hint that what you say is true, maybe they stole it from other company or maybe in a country with such a large population you will have a large number of smart people.

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Also it doesn't really matter since the implementation is close to 20 years old, which means the patents should have expired anyway.

Patents are such a pain, I know someone that works in designing things for cars, and they need to actively avoid patents, things that are obvious and were patented you have to do not obvious things so you don't trip on them.

Of course it’s propaganda the shocking thing is not that they are pushing for a China is bad story. It’s that they pretended it was not happening for the last decades eroding industries and blue collar jobs putting us in today’s situation where a totalitarian state governs most electronics manufacturing of the world including most of the supply chain.

I find it particularily morbid that both countries that seemingly fight over the tech leadership on thsi planet both have the death penalty. Makes it hard to make out the moral winner watching from afar :-( Also, given all the bad spying rep the US has, I am really not sure what is better: a US phone or a China phone... Both seem a very good way to get fucked over.

Yeah definitively, the US is no angel that's for sure but its still aligned with democratic values (at least for now).

Democratic values? As in, the one who receives the most votes will win the election?

Few western countries have a majority votes takes all system, that does not necessarily make them undemocratic. Both Spain and Norway that I know we'll have proportional systems where the number of votes are not necessarily aligned with the number of seats in parliament. A vote in one region might be worth more than another.

Proportional systems are designed from what I understand to balance the power between the populous cities and the country side.

Which I consider outright discrimination. Why exactly would the vote of one individual be less or more worth then a vote from another individual?

I don't make a judgment call towards if one is better than the other but I do firmly believe that 50% + 1 vote is not a mandate. I would really like to see a proper 2/3 majority before you let someone impose their will on the other group. Proportional representation has one interesting side effect it seems. You get more political parties in parliament leaving lunatic fringe groups their own parties and allowing the centre mostly to rule.

>You get more political parties in parliament leaving lunatic fringe groups their own parties and allowing the centre mostly to rule.

Or you have to put together a coalition to rule which may include cozying up to one or more "lunatic fringe groups" out of all proportion to how many seats they have.

Germany has had coalition governments almost all the time since 1949, and there are very few „lunatic fringe groups“ in parliament. Let alone part of the government.

There are lawsuits involving the issue, as another comment reports. Jumping to ''big propaganda'' is unwarranted.

The lawsuit in the other comment doesn't involve Siemens though, hence "maybe they stole it from other company" might be more accurate.

The train the OP mentions has a maximum speed of 420 kmh, I'd say the Chinese did a hell of a job to build this train which supposedely can reach 600 kmh, there's no train in Europe that can reach that, not even the French TGV. As someone else mentioned bellow only the Japanese are close to building a similar train. Which is to say that this is a hell of an achievement by the Chinese.

Thanks I did not know about that, would be good if this would have been added into the initial comment.

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